I thought that it is only right that I comment on the words that Ave Hurley wrote concerning the prophecy that the Lord showed me to post on the Mike Montoya's XCOBU list.
I found this post on Chris Blaise's great commissions list with all of Ave's comments.
When the Lord directed me to post this prophecy I was not a member on any of the xboo sites, so he told us to post it through Tod, who was a member on Mike's list, where there had been a lot of chatter about me and my ministry, especially by Chris.
I was surprised to find that Ave took it upon herself to copy what Tod had posted on Mike Montoya's private XCobu One List site and include all of her negative opinions and post it on Chris Blaise's very public great commissions list, without the courtesy of even contacting me about her post.
On a much later blog I noticed that she accused me of copying what she wrote from a closed site and posting it here on our free from the grip website!! When she was the one who copied what Tod posted on a closed site and posted it on a public site without informing us or asking our permission.
Prophesy is "subject to the prophet" and in scripture there are many instances where a prophet is told to "say this to this people" and the Lord our God is very direct with us, as he speaks to us very frequently.
And although this prophesy was delivered to our fellowship when we were praying about all the slanderous things that Chris Blaise had been making about our fellowship, after years of lifting him and his family up in prayer, this prophesy came with the knowlege of all the events that had taken place for over 18 years.
Ave also made the assumption that this prophesy came through Dave, when in fact it did not.
It seems that a brother named Owen had heard of the prophesy we posted and he addressed Chris about it, instead of someone asking Tod or myself about it.
Then Ave Hurley took it upon herself to not just copy and post the prophesy as it was originally posted, but to post it with all of her comments included on Chris Blaise's great commission public website, without my permission or even letting me know that she did it.
If anyone would like to read the prophesy as it was originally posted just click here.
The key of colors on this page is this: the black print is the prophecy from January 1st, 2009 that Tod posted on Mike Montoya's private xCobu Yahoo website the day it was received: 1/1/09. Red print are my commentsand,Blue print is what Ave Hurley included when she posted it on Chris Blaise's public site.
Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:38 pm
Dave Simmons "prophecies" Jan 1 thru Tod--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Owen"
Dave Simmons claimed in a recent prophecy
What are these prophecies? Did he make other prophecies that you can remember?
Ave wrote the following:
As you can see if you read below I was asked to post this prophecy. I will present it without any further comments.
Although Ave claimed that she would post the prophesy without "any further comments" instead, she presented our prophesy with all of her opinions, and did not present it on its own at all.
PLEASE NOTE: I AM ONLY BRINGING THIS HERE BECAUSE OF THEY WERE ASKED FOR ~ What made you sick to your stomach? Why were you sick to your stomach? I stand by what The Lord Jesus Christ put on my heart to speak and write. What the Lord Jesus shows me to do, that I will do. It matters to me not, that my brothers and sisters met it with sharp and harsh opposition.
AS I SAID ON THE OTHER SITE, THESE MADE ME SICK TO MY STOMACHE- THEY ARE FROM SPIRITS~ NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT~!!
WE CAN LEARN FROM PIECES LIKE THIS~to not be ignorant of the devil's devices~
Test the spirits~ hold fast to that which is good~ [God alone is good] I wrote my comments in blue. The black is Dave Simmons so called prophecy....
What made you sick to your stomach?
Why were you sick to your stomach? I stand by what The Lord Jesus Christ put on my heart to speak and write. What the Lord Jesus shows me to do, that I will do. It matters to me not, that my brothers and sisters met it with sharp and harsh opposition.
And indeed, the Holy Spirit of the Lord God will fill you. And indeed, do not fear, for the Lord your God is with you and the Lord your God has implanted within you, all that you need for your ministry.
~what do you see here? look closely~!... 'will fill'??? future not present??then who is speaking through him if the Holy Spirit isn’t 'filling him' now?./.then implanted within you??? Sorry, but God doesn’t speak like that past, present and I doubt future... maybe had he said imparted to you or even implanted in you, but 'within you' suggests an occupation and not an indwelling! that would come from familiar spirits, not the Holy Spirit. You said that God doesn't speak like that in your above statement. I suggest that you check your bible, and reexamine your claim.
And though they plot against you and though they would wish to circumvent you, INDEED, I SET MY SEAL UPON THIS, that you have been put, where you have been put.
~here again, ignore the flowery words, but look at what is said and its purpose. Is the purpose giving God glory or furthering His purposes?
And those who receive the oil will know that they have been blessed.
~this sounds nothing like the Holy Spirit! it sounds contrived. Why would God as the Holy Spirit, refer to himself as 'the oil' when oil is symbolic of the anointing of the Holy Spirit, in the bible it would speak of anointed him with oil or anointing you with the oil of ..etc and not 'receive the oil'...
It seems to me that you are parsing over semantics or words. What does the Holy Spirit sound like to you?
And there will be always, immediate blessing upon any who come forth for oil.
~Sounds like worship the gift over the giver, the creature rather than the Creator??
It would have been great if you had an open mind about what was spoken to me.
Hie yourselves to this, that those who call you for the oil, have tramped down the voices. Indeed, they have put down the negative voices and it has taken them much to call you.
~huh?tramped what 'voices' - put down what negative voices? - taken much of what to call who???
So whatever you are doing, if you receive a call, it takes immediate first priority.
~This does make God sound illiterate~ it also makes no sense~ "if you receive a call ~IF~ it takes 'Immediate,first, priority"???
I suggest that you reread this document again with an open mind and heart.<
For you know the battle that they have waged within, but you will be quick to hear and slow to speak.
~'they' have waged within- the battle is in our own minds/hearts and if those are within, it isn’t the Holy Spirit, but some of Legion of familiar religious seducing spirits, lying to cause confusion, guilt, condemnation, manipulation, control~ a false witness will not go unpunished!~ This is treading on muddy waters.
You are correct a false witness will not go unpunished. Bear true witness to the wrong that I have bore. <
You will measure your words. And you will always be gentle.
~The weights, balances and scales are the Lords. He sets the plumb-line and he measures and finds you wanting or not. This word is false! ...Even the "and you will always be gentle' ... sounds like a Buddhist thing~!
What word is false? I am willing to listen and consider what you say on this. Point to it. The fruit Of the spirit is gentle.
And you will be careful my son, I COUNSEL YOU MY SON, to be QUICK to think before you speak.
~Be very quick~!... Confucius could have done better than this~
This has nothing to do with Confucius. Sounds like good advice to me. The Bible says that we should be quick to hear and slow to speak.
For he who has been given a commission, my son, can wound, with a word, as well as lift.
~sounds like it might have come from a fortune cookie~!
But I say to you, when people call to you my son, BE QUICK TO HEAR, and be slow to chide, for they cannot handle it.
~infers that whatever they are to say would be chide worthy? and what cant they handle? surely they can handle the 'Truth'...so what cant they handle?
Cobu people have a hard time with the truth, because they have learned to live a lie.
They are fragile. They are brittle. They walk with 20 lbs. upon their back.
~ is this guy serious???? He needs deliverance~ and maybe a shrink~!
Yes. I am dead serious. I desire to see you and everyone who is caught in the grip of Stewart Tanner Traill and his false church of pain and oppression, freed from them.
They have not been freed as you have been freed.
~he is in bondage to counterfeit spirits, giving him a sense of self righteous elitism and a religion that makes him like a god to himself and those who listen to him.
Not guilty in word. Not guilty in deed. Not guilty in truth.
They do not have the luxury to laugh.
~but God will laugh at 'their' calamity!
COBU PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME LAUGHING.
Everything they do and say is put under the microscope of 'Is this right or wrong?'
~very human thing to say~ the arrogance of the spirit he is speaking from preys on the ability to confuse - and just who is the author of confusion?
You are mistaken about many things. What are you confused about?
If you look to lift, it will be enough.
~lift? enough? Jesus was lifted - on a cross! The devil seeks prey...anyway he can.
If you look to hear, it will be enough.
We have been trodden down enough by Stewart Traill. I desire to see all from cobu lifted up from the pit of despair.
~especially if you look to hear what those spirits say- it will be enough to lead you to destruction~
If you look to show compassion, it will be enough.
~another ploy~ the envoys of Babylon showed 'compassion' to Hezekiah and deceived him into showing the treasury~It was enough to cost the kingdom!
What does this have to do with me?
And when they come and question you about your relationship with Chris, you will say, I will not speak of any person's weakness, but I will say, "I did my best to listen, as I am listening to you."
What is twisted? Would you like to explore that?
I did my best to seek the Lord with his concerns, when he brought them to me.
~This is claimed to be a 'prophecy' but isn’t the Holy Spirit speaking~
I stand by what is spoken. Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord. Not guilty, by the blood of the Lamb.
And though I fall short in his expectations of me, I have done my best to walk in the path that the Lord has shown me to walk, and this is it: that each man take the path that the Lord put before him.
~Confucius couldn’t have said it any better~
You seem to be hung up on Confucius Where does he fit in all this here? I did not mention him, you did.
That you put no stumbling block in anyone's way for any desire that they sought, whether it be helpful or not.
~divisive!!! the devil is putting no 'stumbling block' to trip you up so you can be lured by your desires, no mention of God's purpose and not helpful~
Try reading the prophecy again.
That you do not burden those who come to you, with your presence.
~Eee-oor speak~ thanks for noticing me....such nonsense!
Why all of the sarcasm and mocking? Where did you learn this from? You learned it from your former mentor, Stewart Traill.
But if someone is glad to spend time with you, you always welcome them.
~sure, easy pick-ens if the devil can speak to you in your own language and persuade you to believe him...that is always welcome...
You have a lot to learn, and so do I. Let's learn something new. I am willing. Are you?
But when one gets oiled, this is your ministry, to oil them.
~giving them a form of religion- but in action denying its power, or rightful power of the Holy Spirit by using a counterfeit spirit to feign holiness.
NOT GUILTY TO THE CHARGE OF SERVING A COUNTERFEIT SPIRIT.
It is not your ministry to provide a youth fellowship for their children.
~Jesus said 'feed my lambs'... but then again none of this prophecy is biblical.
I suggest that you reread this document again.
It is not your ministry to provide marriage counseling.
~not the bible saying bear one another s burdens, nor have the older women teach the younger how to love their husbands, nah, who needs the bible????
You make a lot of wild assumptions and opinions. I guess your reference point to this prophecy is from all of the nasty negative talk from Chris and Deborah.
But if someone who is married seeks me and shares with me their concerns, I will pray with them and seek the Lord with them and if the Lord speaks, then the Lord speaks; but I am not employed as a marriage counselor.
~Are we still reading his prophecy????
I am glad that you have made it this far.
I am not employed as a pastor. I did not go to school to be a pastor, nor did I go to school to be a counselor.
~employed ~ hireling? ...excuses given...It must be God's fault~!!
I know of only one hireling, and he was not only interested in money, but he wanted total submission, and you know who I am speaking of.
I have gone to school to be an education teacher, and this is my employment.
~Must have failed English 101~
More nasty and sarcastic talk from you.
This is how I fund my home. This is how I pay my bills. This is how I care for my family.
~Now this cant be part of the prophecy can it be ????
Don't put God in a box. Widen and open your heart to something that you have never experienced before.
This is my obligation, to care for my family and I do not have surplus funds to care of everyone who comes to my door.
~This sounds really 'off'.. where is the Holy Spirit in any of this???
I know it all sounds off to you. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
It is my obligation to do what the Lord has put before me and it is before the Lord that I stand or fall.
~who is his lord??? not the one I know~~!!
THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO IS MIGHTY OVER ALL! HOPEFULLY HE IS MIGHTY OVER ALL OF YOU.
If the Lord told me to, "go hither", I would go and 99% of the time I have funded any visiting.
~Paul was a tent maker and paid his own way, most people do. God's children don’t go begging bread!~ God supplies the needs of his children.
Chris Blase has said that at one time I visited his family four times in a year and I always paid for my gas and lodging.
I never burdened him and often I bought food for his family during my visits, and yet he faults me.
~ faithful are the wounds of a friend but then there is the one who gives you food whose heart is far from you/him...to give someone a brownie and then prophecy doom in their life isn’t exactly what the Spirit would say to the churches.....
Ave, you got a chance to taste some of the Blase treatment first hand, up close and personal. I will not delve into all of the details here, I don't think that it would be appropriate. You never tried to discuss any of this prophecy with me or anyone from Living Water. You gladly heard and believed everything that Chris and Deb said about me and my ministry. The Bible says that we should hear both sides before making a judgment. Not Guilty to prophesying doom to the Blaises.
I will speak openly about these things that he has spoken openly of; but regarding the concerns that he brought to me--his prayer concerns, his heart concerns--I will not discuss a man's heart concerns. They are between him and the Lord.
~a form of religion for the sake of the audience, seeking any who would fall for this false witness/prophecy~....
She who speaks the truth must give honest evidence. Where is your evidence? Bear true witness to the false witness that I have published. Bear true witness to the false prophecy that I have written.
I love Chris and I love his wife and I have a clear conscience towards every visit. I rose to every opportunity. I rose to every ... I rose, when Chris had need and I lifted him and he and his wife were lifted.
~lifted? where? to what? lifted to torment, lifted to despair, lifted to anguish, lifted to sleeplessness, their rest assaulted~ there peace disturbed! lifted to be haunted~ yeah quite a lift! He says he loves you~ baloney~ gotta reverse the words to get an essence of the truth here.
Well Ave, they did a wonderful snow job on you, and you bought all of their false testimony about me and how much we hurt them, lot stock and barrel. As to your long laundry list of negative charges, I say not guilty in word, not guilty in deed, and not guilty in truth.
And though all of his friends said to him that they didn't want to hear anything of me or my wife, it did not stop me from rising to their need, when their need was put before me.
~seeking any opportunity to place burdens on you and your wife and cause division if possible, laying burdens on you both through divination.
To the charge of placing burdens on the Blaises: NOT GUILTY. To causing division: NOT GUILTY.
Chris said to me oftentimes that, 'I can talk to my friends about anything but Dave and Cynthia.' Well isn't that sad, that his friends would not open their ear to hear of the blessings that he received in the prayer times that we had. Isn't it sad, that they made restrictions about what he could talk about to them. I never made a restriction.
~sure, the devil will seek to devour whomever he can and will use the spirit of religion and its divination to lead astray anyone naive or trusting enough to fall prey to this sort of sin. A false witness will not go unpunished!!
NOT GUILTY IN WORD. NOT GUILTY IN DEED. NOT GUILTY IN TRUTH.
Any concern Chris had, any concern Deborah had, I did my best to listen and seek the Lord with them, and on my own for them on their behalf, for 20 years, since 1988. May, actually April, because he called in April and I went to see him in May.
~Since love hopes all things and believes all things, Chris trusted this man, believing to be a brother in Christ, deceived by this religious spirit that laid in wait many years, cultivating a false trust. Praise God his folly was made known to Chris~! Praise God Chris & Deb got away from these people.
I am still willing, Ave, to discuss this matter with you, privately, concerning the Blaises. And the posted prophecy. I still stand behind every word that is written here--to be from the mouth of the Lord Jesus Christ and his Father.
Every time Chris called I listened, many times he called me when I was at work and I'm a one on one' teacher and if I was busy in my teaching and I could not jeopardize my career, I said to him, 'I have to call you later.'
~If this man ever sought to be a servant of God, his heart had hidden treasures that were used to lure him into receiving these false familiar spirits who have since lied to him and gave him power in the lives of those who trusted/trust him, He is led astray and seeking to lead others on the same road. This is so sad when people think they are doing God a service when instead they are really serving their own desires to be holier than thou~
What hidden treasure do you think that I have in my heart?" What false familiar spirits are you talking about?
Chris is angry about many things, with regard to me. And many of them he never spoke to me about them, but I heard them through internet posts and this wounded me.
~Where's my Kleenex??!!! Poor Dave~! It all your fault Chris. :) ~ you ruined it all for him~! you bad boy~ Truth is absent from this public 'square'~ and that’s not all that’s absent- he's out to lunch~! He is no more wounded than a piece of sand. He's ticked off that he couldn’t regain control in your life and your wife's life. He's mad that he blames you for making him look bad~! Whats bad is this false prophecy that in his arrogance was meant to dishonor and discredit you~!
Well Ave, it's all great until someone gets a broken nose or a broken arm. You are coming to Chris and Debbie's defense. Would you still defend them now, knowing what they truly are? They showed you where they live, and what they love and what they seek. Do you think that it is Christian to mock, be cutting and sarcastic and judgmental?
AND INDEED, YOU WILL POST THIS ENTIRE PROPHECY ON LINE, through Tod, today. DO NOT FEAR, FOR THE LORD YOUR GOD IS IN YOUR MIDST.
~despite these lies. This religious spirit is like the rabshekah and bold.
What lies are you talking about?
AND THE LORD YOUR GOD DOES NOT FEAR TO CALL YOU HIS SON.
~The Lord fears nothing~ even Satan was 'a son' of God at one point but never 'the Son of God'. He is an example of John 8:44If
AND THEY WAG THEIR MOUTHS, YET THEY DO NOT ASK A QUESTION.
~the Rabshekah got boastful too... but Sennacherib and the Rabshekah angered God by their lying boasts to God's people and were turned back by the way they came and went back to fight amongst themselves and were defeated. So will the spirits that control this Simmons stuff...
Living Water has been around for more than 20 years, and we will continue to bless the people of COBU as best we can. We desire to see the people of COBU loosed from the grip of Stewart Tanner Traill. I will boast of the Lord, and that is a good thing.
THEY WAG THEIR MOUTHS TO THEMSELVES AND TO ONE ANOTHER AND YET THEY DO NOT SAY A WORD TO YOU.
~Dave- renounce the workings of Satan in your life, repent, confess your sins, surrender those idols in your heart and ask the Lord to grant you repentance. close your ears to the spirits you listen to and take your thoughts captive! Be sober , be watchful, resist the devil and he will flee... Ask for the Holy Spirit to come and guide you into Truth and to bear witness with proof so you wont be so led astray by winds of doctrines~! If you humble yourself, confess your sins and ask forgiveness, the Lord will not despise your broken heart and will heal you and forgive you and restore you to Himself.
Ave, you speak of that which you do not know. You do not know me and I do not know you. You have opened your ear to a scoffer; and when you open your ear to a scoffer, you become what they are selling. Jesus said, "Do not judge by appearance, but judge with right judgment."hg/b>
LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THE LORD YOUR GOD HAS HEARD THE WAGGING OF THEIR LIPS AND THEIR HEARTS ARE OPENED BEFORE ME, AS IS YOURS.
~renounce the workings of Satan in your life... you are really bound by the spirits of religion - a legion of them!
You have never spoken to me about any of the claims that you are making and they are all just hearsay. All of your information has been gathered by one source, who has proven to be a liar, and they do not honor the truth.
HE WHO HAS AN EAR TO HEAR, LET HIM HEAR, THAT THE LORD GOD IS MIGHTY.
~Yes the Lord God is Almighty and we know now to pray on your behalf in intercession asking that the Lord deliver you from the spirits that have bewitched you all these years and that you are granted repentance and given sight to see the battle and to choose this day whom you will serve!
I welcome the prayer on my behalf. Prayer is a big part of my Christian walk. Please pray for me all the more. Thank you for that. Please keep the prayer coming.
MIGHTY IS THE LORD, MIGHTY OVER ALL! HE WHO WALKS WITH THE LORD, WALKS IN PEACE.
~YOU will no longer have to fake it and make such false prophecies, You can still repent if you humble yourself and renounce the workings of Satan in your life before an open assembly!
What should I repent over? Please tell me so I can consider it and pray about it. What am I faking? What workings of Satan must I renounce in my life? What open assembly do you have in mind?
THEY SAID THEY WOULD THROW DOWN THE GAUNTLET. YOU SOUGHT CHRIS IN PEACE. YOU WENT TO HIS HOUSE IN PEACE.
~In your delusion you may think you were sincere, but you are subject to the father of lies and captive to the spirit of religion - a working of Satan in your life - a stronghold that has given you spiritual pride, elitism, and control. These spirits have conspired and encircled you and have captivated your corrupt heart and have bound you to them. Jesus wants to set you free but you have to renounce them and forsake them. You have to take your thoughts captive and test the spirits by the Word of God. Wait on the Lord and He will show you His ways, not your ways. Your deliverance depends on your desire.
Judge not and you will not be judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged. Let's talk about this. What would Jesus do?
WOULD THAT HE HAD PEACE IN HIS HEART TOWARD YOU WHO LIFTED YOUR EAR TO EVERY WORD HE EVER SAID TO YOU. [2:12 PM 1-1-09]
~How sad it is when we see people stuck in bondage to familiar spirits, especially spirits of religion that often others are afraid to stand up against.
Spirits of divination have been in the church since Jesus' time and they are an abomination. We can test the spirits by the written Word through the leading of the request of the Holy Spirit. We ask that for Dave & his followers, that they can see that playing with the shiny pebbles has led them astray in the spirit.
The Bible says,"Psa 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good! Happy is the man who takes refuge in him!"
Yes Ave, it is sad to see the children of God caught in the grip of Stewart Tanner Traill, who's only aim is to keep robbing the sons and daughters of God. Let's not forget that the people of COBU do not stand up for what is right. Who stood up to Traill at the grace meeting, where he said that he missed grace for 25 years?
Ave, I would love to have a conversation with you, and anyone who desires to discuss these things that I have posted. I have nothing to hide. I said to you and to all at the 2007 Reunion that there are no hidden agendas and no strings attached. Not guilty to playing with shiny pebbles. Not guilty to being led astray. What does it mean to test something? It does not mean that one take an ax to it to see if it can stand up to repeated blows.
Check out our ministry, and see what we are all about. We do not bite. Come and be blessed.
Spirits of divination have been in the church since Jesus' time and they are an abomination. We can test the spirits by the written Word through the leading of the request of the Holy Spirit. We ask that for Dave & his followers, that they can see that playing with the shiny pebbles has led them astray in the spirit.
The Bible says,"Psa 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good! Happy is the man who takes refuge in him!"
While doing a search we stumbled upon a blog written by Ave Hurley. If you would like to read it directly from her original blog just search: "Ave Hurley Stewart dumps Shirley" and you will find it listed under "Word Press."
In the comments attached a sister was asking about Cobu and Ave offered her a lot of information.
Tod Burros then offered our link in this post:
Tod Burros May 28, 2013 at 11:17 am
We have put up our website of our thoughts on who Stewart Traill always was and the effects he had on many, as well as how we got free from his influence at http://www.freefromthegrip.com
As a result of Tod's very simple invitation, Ave wrote a very long post, and half way down indicated that she was writting it to Tod and Dave.
I will include her lengthy post here, and put in a different color any direct reference she made to us.
Since Ave refused to include our rebuttal reply that we made twice to her blog, I will make my own comments within the letter that she had posted since May 28th, 2013 until now: May 20th, 2015 ~ Since she made false accusations within her post for all to see for two entire years I believe that we have every right to have our reply included, that's only fair, right or wrong?
Yet, the next day both of our rebuttal posts to what Ave had written "vanished" or were ejected by the moderator: Ave Hurley. It seemed very curious to us, that someone who claims faithfulness, Christianity, and being fair, was unwilling to keep the continuity of her blog and to allow us to reply to her where she made serious and judgmental comments about us that in truth actually applied to her.
Because I found it so contrary to a truthful witness, I sent her an email and she replied.
All of these correspondences I will include below with comments inserted.
First is the lengthy post that Ave Hurley was provoked to write, just because Tod made a simple one sentence post on her blog where he stated:
"We have put up our website of our thoughts on who Stewart Traill always was and the effects he had on many, as well as how we got free from his influence at http://www.freefromthegrip.com"
Tod just shared our link with someone who wrote on Ave's blog that she was interested in Cobu, and Ave then
AveHurley May 28, 2013 at 9:22 pm
While it is essential for former members to come to the realization that they were manipulated by a madman for his own gain and that the service they thought they were offering up to God was done erantly by following a manipulative man who quenched the Spirit in others and caused them to doubt their own good common sense, it is still equally important to not go from one trapping into another, such as one false religious system into yet another one. What was lacking for most in the Cobu was direction from the Holy Spirit who did reach out to each of us and for many was still ignored as they sought outward signs and wonders to establish them as followers of Christ replacing ritual for true direction.
In this day and age many churches still lack the bread needed to help former cult members of any false flock and so when seeking help many are once again ensnared into religious settings that still are keeping them from rightly following our Savior by wrongly applying the Word of God in their lives.There is no ritual that can save a person other than surrendering themselves to Christ, seeking his forgiveness [which He grants to those with a broken heart] and then actively seeking to learn how to please Him.
Many false prophets have arisen in these latter days as was prophesied that the ‘spirit of antichrist’ is already among us. http://biblehub.com/1_john/2-18.htm How then do we test the spirit? http://biblehub.com/1_john/4-1.htm
How do we take heed according to the Word? http://biblehub.com/1_john/4-1.htm Study and show yourselves approved http://biblehub.com/2_timothy/2-15.htm rightly dividing the Word of Truth [ the scriptures ] which many fail to properly negotiate.
The Lord tells us to ‘come now let us reason together says the Lord”.http://biblehub.com/isaiah/1-18.htm The Lord will come down and reason with us~ Scripture says that anywhere two or more are gathered in My name, there I am in the midst of them.http://biblehub.com/matthew/18-20.htm This applies even to reading the Word. The Spirit and the Word always agree http://biblehub.com/1_thessalonians/1-5.htm
The Word alone remains a mystery to those who are perishing [ not seeking the truth of our Lord]
[1 Corinthians 1:18] For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing,but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
There are those who wrongly use traditions and rituals as the plumbline [ And the LORD said to me, “Amos, what do you see?” I answered, “A plumb line.” And the Lord replied, “I will test my people with this plumb line. I will no longer ignore all their sins.http://biblehub.com/amos/7-8.htm ] when attempting to discern the mind of Christ in their lives.
How sadly that their ignorance often leads into another form of spiritual bondage~! [my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. “Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children http://biblehub.com/hosea/4-6.htm ]
“If you, Israel, will return, then return to me,” declares the LORD. “If you put your detestable idols out of my sight and no longer go astray, http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/4-1.htm ] You may think to call out as ‘Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’http://biblehub.com/matthew/7-22.htm
While to some its as simple as jumping over a crack, or some other compulsive disorder, to others its the benchmark by which they gauge all their own actions. To whom much is given, much is required, small things will be forgiven so such a person may not lose their salvation but could lose precious time in service tp our Lord as a result of not maturing in Christ and still behaving as children relying on the milk of the Word converted to curds and whey, then thinking they are eating the meat of the Word when they never got passed eating cheese.Many never put away the childish things.http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Others may not be so ‘lucky’ as the Word predicts there will be a great falling away in latter days due to the lack of knowledge of our Holy One which is through ignorance and or poor choices.. Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, for it will not come unless the rebellion takes place first and the man of sin, who is destined for destruction, is revealed.
“The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, http://biblehub.com/luke/4-18.htm
Therefore to be convinced of anything else that is of the Spirit of God one must renounce the workings of satan in their lives – in all areas of their lives that they are aware of.”Therefore say to the people of Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Repent! Turn from your idols and renounce all your detestable practices! http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/14-6.htm Many commonly accepted ‘practices’are actually divinations that the Lord detests.
They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. Stay away from people like that! http://biblehub.com/2_timothy/3-5.htm
Now Tod, when it comes to the website you have recommended, I found that a reply I had given on the closed membered x-cobu site had been taken and copied and presented on your site out of context and without affording me the continuation in explaining my position, as to why I reject the practices you and Dave have been committed to.
One other matter of point is that it was taken without expressed permission as everything discussed on x-cobu is not allowed to be legally copied to other sites. I was not asked permission not for further reply giving your site owner the last reply as though he were right which is meant to deceive the reader. The rules of the x-cobu site was broken away from, so that all threads could be presented and discussed to arrive at their conclusions was ended. When you or Dave or whoever took that reply and then present it to your followers, it deceptively challenges me to a reply which was not forthcoming, since I was never engaged to defend the gospel on these matters and never allowed to make further comment on your site and was not made aware of it, since it was illegally recopied in a manner that only allows your people to make their reply which then misprepresents what I said ~ by appearing to request further discussion while actually preventing it. That was very deceptive and as such it demonstrates falsiy in your religious practice there. That in itself is also sin.
While ‘oiling’ in and of itself is harmless and of little value, your members substitute it for the healing power of God in their lives. There is no amount of oil you can dump over one’s head that will actually heal them other than believing in the Holy Spirit’s healing power and not the ritual you and Dave push as a cure all.That in itself is holding a form of religion but in action denying its power~!!
A false witness and prophet will not go unpunished [False prophets and those who seek their guidance will all be punished for their sins.http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/14-10.htm ] Let the prophet who has a dream recount the dream, but let the one who has my word speak it faithfully. For what has straw to do with grain?” declares the LORD.
http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/23-28.htm But in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. http://biblehub.com/mark/7-7.htm
So I implore you and Dave and the others with you, to repent of your religious practices and stop using spirits to guide you~!! Now the Spirit says clearly that in the last times some people will abandon the faith by following deceitful spirits, the teachings of demons…
Spirits that many have erantly followed over the centuries, particularly religious spirits have led many to the slaughter rather than to the true light of Christ. They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty. http://biblehub.com/revelation/16-14.htm These spirits are sent about on earth to deceive as many as they can, even the elect~! for lack of knowledge many are deceived and that later leads to them falling away, as they fail and then think that God has abandoned them, when He has not~ it is they who chose to walk down the wrong path and stumble to the slaughter.
Rescue those who are stumbling to the slaughter~!Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter. http://biblehub.com/proverbs/24-11.htm
While much of this may be hard for you to digest and may even roll off your back as water to a duck, perhaps if you consider one portion at a time and do your own biblical research, asking the Holy Spirit to guide you and to bind any hindering spirits that have been preventing you from arriving a the full knowledge of the Truth~! With Christ as my witness, I speak with utter truthfulness. My conscience and the Holy Spirit confirm it. http://biblehub.com/romans/9-1.htm
Let me be clear~ It is not my intention to chastise you or Dave or to confuse you or to cause you to stumble. It is my intention to shed light on the practices you now embrace for in your zeal and human intentions, I see that you desire to do good and have been on this course for many years, yet are blinded to a few things that have hindered your progress in your attempt to serve our Lord. My desire is that you come into the full knowledge of the truth and that your labors not be in vain~ Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’http://biblehub.com/matthew/7-22.htm ~
To me I see you and Dave as hanging onto a cliff by a rock which is your doctrine and you hang on tightly to it and can neither go up nor down, yet if you reach out and grab onto Jesus as the rock and let go of the rock you now cling to, you can climb off the cliff and have your feet set on solid ground~ For in order to serve Jesus faithfully and not any pretenders to His throne, you have to go the way He directs you, not the way you have settled on or chosen. There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death….http://biblehub.com/proverbs/16-25.htm
Remember that in latter days there will be times of great distress http://biblehub.com/luke/21-23.htm and truth will be lacking in the public square~ in other words : Our courts oppose the righteous, and justice is nowhere to be found. Truth stumbles in the streets, and honesty has been outlawed. http://biblehub.com/isaiah/59-14.htm
Consider todays world and read in Romans 1 : God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
How we see this rising up every where~!! Then to consider Mathew 24~ Read it again~! then go on to 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10 and compare that to what you see happening in the world around you. We are entering into living in desperate times.
Many hold wrongly onto the belief that when two are grinding at the wheel and one is taken that it in itself is a good thing – a rapture of sorts and while those holding onto a pre-trib rapture philosophy, they are failing to prepare for battle – the battle for their very souls that is coming to all of us as Jesus said “I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.” http://biblehub.com/john/16-33.htm
In Revelations http://biblehub.com/revelation/2-10.htm Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown.
We each will pass through our own Job-like experiences as well as a form of flood or fire or lion’s den, each according to the purpose and glory of God and the ability He will give us to endure.So whether it happens to us individually or collectively, it will happen ~!! Ultimately we each will face our demons before we are finished with the race we are in.This life is the testing ground for our place in eternity.To him who endures to the end, will receive the crown of life as the Bible promises~!!
For encouragement : Read 2 Bible passages that repeat David’s Song of Praise for his deliverande~ 2 Samuel 22 and Psalm 18 Remember that anywhere 2 or more are gathered in My Name, I will be in the midst of them.
There is safety in a multitude of counselors ~ [When seeking interpretation of God’s message to us, always remember there is safety in a multitude of counselors ~
Where there is no guidance the people fall, But in abundance of counselors there is victory. http://biblehub.com/proverbs/11-14.htm
For by wise guidance you will wage war, And in abundance of counselors there is victory. http://biblehub.com/proverbs/24-6.htm
Also remember that you need to seek out biblically what and or who are those ‘counselors’ that will lead and guide you into all truth~
Your statutes are my delight; they are my counselors. http://biblehub.com/psalms/119-24.htm
Your statutes, LORD, stand firm; holiness adorns your house for endless days. http://biblehub.com/psalms/93-5.htm
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.http://biblehub.com/john/16-13.htm The Spirit is the Holy Spirit, not those religious spirits many embrace or those seducing spirits many succumb to or those lying spirits many choose to believe, but the one and only Holy Spirit of God who was one with Jesus as Jesus was the Word made flesh to dwell among us and showed us that He always was fulfilling the Scriptures – the inspired word of God given by the Spirit of God which is why the Spirit and the Word [ Holy Spirit and Jesus] are always one with the Father [God] which is the mystery that is spoken of three in one as we have only one God who has reached out to us through His own Holy Spirit and His only begotten son – Jesus~!
Jesus told us at the end of His earthly ministry that he was to go back to His Father and would send us the Counselor – the Spirit of Truth~!!
Jesus told us that the Truth will set us free as the Spirit of Truth will guide us into all truth~ and will reveal to us His servants what we need to know, when we need to know it~!
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. http://biblehub.com/john/14-6.htm
I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture. http://biblehub.com/john/10-9.htm
What is pasture to sheep? It is where they feed~ The Bible is our pasture~!!We are His sheep – He is the good shepherd~!Nicodemus didnt understand this til he went to Jesus and asked and was told : Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
The water spoken of is the Word~! Jesus is the Word~ The Bible is the written Word – It is our survival handbook to make it out of this world alive~! How do we become cleansed? How do we get washed? [to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, http://biblehub.com/ephesians/5-26.htm ] that is to show the way as with each of us – we are to be washed –
Remember when Jesus washed the apostles feet ? He told them that they needed to have their feet washed ~Why? Their feet stood upon the earth – representing their bodily connection to standing in this world ,where they came from, where they were, where they were going – which Jesus told them was unclean unless He washed them – their feet only as He said the body was clean – and then as a servant He washed them. Peter initially misunderstood as many today also misunderstand~ he refused to have Jesus wash his feet but then Jesus explained it was necessary or Peter would have no part in [the salvation] Jesus offered us. Peter then, still not quite understanding, said to Jesus to wash his hands as well but Jesus told him that the body was clean [since Jesus came to save the world=his children] where we go in life holds with it whatever transgressions or trespasses we commit which by washing our feet, Jesus shows us that we will be forgiven our trespasses, knowing we will at times fail – for all have fallen short of the glory of God~ which is also why we need a Savior and why Jesus was brought into this world for us, as God so loved the world – not the physical land so much as those of us He created and live here.
Prayerfully approach the Bible, ask for the guidance of the Holy Spirit to confirm in your heart the things I have said here and continue on to study and show yourself as a workman approved who can rightly divide the Word of Truth – that is to be able to find the corresponding verses which will confirm and further explain God’s plan for you in this world.
GBU~! God Bless You~!
After reading some of the things Ave wrote above we posted a reply from our cell phone, which appeared as one solid brick, but after two days of checking back to her blog we noticed that the reply we made was still not included on her blog.
Since we kept a copy we sent it again, and saw that it was in the process of moderation. Yet that copy also was never posted on her blog.
I would also like to add that Ave is not in fellowship with us and has made many judgments that are based on heresay. For instance, in her post above she makes a statement about our practice of administering oil and prayer for those who ask to receive it, as we were counseled to offer after praying for those we knew were suffering after the oppressive experience in a cult.
Many who have received this oil blessing have testified to being comforted by it and it is directly written in scripture to offer this blessing, but Ave writes it in a negative way, saying that we look at it as a "cure all" which is very far from the truth, as I've even written within "Cynthia answers Mike Montoya, where I write very clearly that healing has to do with the faith of the individual, as the scripture also states.
Jas 5:14 Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord;
Jas 5:15 and the prayer of faith will save the sick man...
Dear Sister Ave,
I just stumbled upon this post that I was not aware took place and although Tod had shared our website with someone who was seeking more information about Cobu, he does not recall reading what you posted, as his posts were both written in the morning and this reply you posted late the same night and he doesn’t recall ever seeing it.
As to your accusation of me illegally copying what you posted from a private site, you are mistaken.
I copied your scathing commentary about a prophecy delivered to our fellowship from Chris Blaise’s very open to the public site.
Yet on the subject of copying something posted on a private site, the truth is that Tod originally posted our prophecy on Mike Montoya’s xcobu One list and YOU my dear sister copied it from that private site and posted it with all of Your negative comments on Chris Blaise’s public site.
You did this without MY permission.
Nor did YOU contact me to make me aware that you did this.
Nor did you do the honorable thing of posting our prophecy on its own, as you found it, so that others could draw their own conclusions, without all of your biased and slanderous comments attached.
You stated that you had no opportunity to reply, yet our website has an email address on our contact page.
And everyone is able to read all the connecting comments right on Chris Blaise’s page where you posted it without my knowledge or permission.
My wife had been emailing you back then and even offered to discuss our prophecy with you at the time, but you had no interest in it, so the communication ended.
I find it sad that you have chosen to make so many judgements against we who seek God, read his word daily and have been blessed by many of our heartfelt prayers answered.
It is not necessary for you to reply, if you aren’t inclined to, but I felt moved to set this record straight.
As you do to the least of us, you do also to our Lord. Mt 25:40,
Do not contend with a man for no reason, when he has done you no harm. Pro 3:30,
To subvert a man in his cause, the Lord does not approve. Lam 3:36,
Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. Rom 14:4
So Ave, who are you to judge me?
Hanging from a cliff by my fingertips! I don’t think so!
Dave and Cynthia Simmons of Living Water
Some who are reading this may not even know what this is about.
In a nut shell:
Our fellowship: Living Water, ministered to a brother and his family for close to 20 years and then he decided to move on and we gave him our blessing.
He then turned around and began to slander us personally and our ministry on one of the closed xcobu websites that we were not even a part of at the time, although a brother in our group: Tod Burros was.
During a prayer meeting there was a prophesy with regard to us receiving counsel about what to say or speak with regard to all the slanders that this brother was making against us and we were asked to post this prophesy on the site that this brother was using as his podeum.
Tod Burros posted the prophesy on the closed xcobu website, as we received it.
Ave Hurley copied the prophesy, added her own negative opinions of each and every line and then posted it on Chris Blaise’s public xcobu website.
We copied what she posted and Dave wrote his own comentary of what Ave Hurley wrote on the public website without any communication with us at all.
Then when Tod Burros saw that someone had an interest in Cobu issues, which is what our website is about, he merely shared our link, as I posted above what he had written.
Then Ave Hurley felt compeled, from that simple invitation, to write this lengthy post where she accused us of doing what she actually did.
This is the second attempt to include this post.
If anyone is interested in reading what this conflict is referring to, our website is Freefromthegrip.com and you can scroll down to “Ave on the 09 Prophesy” Which includes the prophesy, Ave’s comments, and Dave’s thoughts.
From what we read on this post Ave, you seem irritated with us for writting our view of what you wrote. Hopefully, by now, you will be open to letting others make their own assessments.
What kind of Christian fairness is it when someone can take offense to a brother trying to share his own Cobu experiences and kindly offeres a link to a website that he and other xcobu brothers and sisters have taken the time to compile and instead of being thanked for his personal contribution receives a very long letter within which there are many false accusations? Then when we try to point that out in a very clear reply, our reply is not included in the dialogue? From what we've experienced, in this conversation, it's okay for Ave Hurley to make false accusations, yet when we clearly pointed out how she was actually guilty for the things she accused us of doing she didn't include our rebutal!?
So, I wrote her an email with regard to my thoughts on the matter at 6:26 pm on May 20, 2015 that you can read here:
On the 18th and 20th (May 2015) Dave and I (Cynthia) sent a reply to a post that you wrote quite awhile ago, after Tod Burros offered our website link to someone seeking information about Cobu.
Then you wrote a very long post that toward the end indicated it was meant for Tod and Dave and you wrote some of your negative opinions about our faith and our ministry, that you don't accept.
You accused them of copying what you wrote on a private xcobu site and posting it on our public site without your permission.
When originally, we posted our prophesy on the closed Mike Montoya One List and you copied it and posted it publicly with a lot of your negative comments on Chris Blaise's great commission public website without OUR permission.
You also did not post it on it's own, as it was originally, so that others might read it and draw their own conclusions, without your biased opinions.
I've checked back and noticed that our belated reply to your post, that we offered, has not been included in that dialogue. It was said to be "under moderation." If you did not see the post we wrote on this blog I will forward it to you in an email.
But not seeing it today I wrote another "reply" on that blog and Dave said to just send it in an email, rather than put it on that blog, :
I find it very telling of how you had no problem accusing us of wrongdoing when on this post you accused my dear husband Dave of copying something you wrote from a private site and posting it without your permission, when the truth is that the prophesy we posted was on a private site and a brother who was not a part of it named Owen asked Chris about it and you copied our posted prophesy, added all of your negative opinions and without our permission you posted it on Chris Blaise's great commission public website.
You seem good a hurling mud at things outside of your xcobu world, which has more Cobu-type reflections than I think you are willing to own up to.
I'm very sorry that you are unable to publish the truth of what you accused us of doing, but actually did yourself!
If you have any love for Jesus, who is the truth, then you should be willing to set the record straight instead of hiding behind being a moderator of your blog.
That's just like Stewart Traill did, claiming righteousness, and throwing scriptures around, while ignoring the weightier matters of love and truth and justice and even common courtesy.
You made many slights toward my husband about that January 1, 2009 prophesy that the Lord delivered to us when we sought him about how Chris Blaise was slandering us on Mike Montoya's private, yet very xcobu-public site.
The very people we were counseled to pray for and actually have a blessing for.
You think that you are being an agent of good when you have actually no clue as to the wrong perceptions you have.
You perceived that the prophesy came through my husband, when in fact it came through my own prophetic gift!
Prophesy is subject to the prophet and I was aware of all the ways that we lifted up Chris Blaise and his family for close to 20 years! Only to have him smear our name and have you and others believe his words of hate.
Dave and I even actively pursued Chris to pay you what you suffered at his lack of Christian ethics and even hoped that in paying you it would aid in his conscience being cleared.
Funny how you have no problem judging us, but have a difficult time owning up to your own wrong doing.
You probably haven't even read this, but I'll give you the benefit of my doubt.
Prophesy is imperfect.
I am not perfect!
Yet, God has used prophesy to bless me many, many times. And if I don't understand something spoken to me prophetically I pray about it and usually God helps me to understand what he was trying to make clear to me.
As I said, prophesy is imperfect and we didn't even want to post the prophesy delivered through me, giving counsel to Dave about how to answer those who questioned us about our relationship with Chris after all the horrible things he posted, when our recollection of our time with Chris and Debbie was nothing like what he was writting.
God gives us a lot of personal counsel and it's much easier to keep it that way, personal, but when we were asked to publish or post it, just like the prophets of old may not have wanted to, but did as they understood, even when it brings smears from those who don't understand its purpose, but think that they have some insight about spirits!
You have no idea how many have been blessed by our listening to God's counsel about pouring oil and prayer. On our website, on the page titled "Cynthia answers Mike Montoya" toward the end of that very repetative and extremely long page, I include several examples, one sister was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer in 2005 and after surgery was told that she may only have one or at most two years life expectancy, yet she is still alive today in 2015, 10 years since her diagnoses, and still works as a head nurse in the ICU at St. Luke's Hospital NYC.
Was that "spirits" that answered our prayers for her healing? Or was there faith involved when we according to the scriptures and the counsel we heard from God, annointed her head with oil and prayed for her?
Who are you to judge our faith and relationship with God?
The scripture counsels us : The faith you have keep between yourself and God, happy is the man who has no reason to judge himself for what he approves!
I would appreciate if you loved the truth and put on your blog what we sent yesterday as a rebutal to what you wrote.
Show me what a lover of the unvarnished truth you really are!
Or, just continue to hide behind your moderator entitlement as you did yesterday!
Strong women, like tea, show who they really are when in hot water.
Read some of my personal experiences in ministry on freefromthegrip.com on the page I wrote titled: "Cynthia Answers Mike Montoya" where I do write that it takes faith to be healed and that many from Cobu very much lack this precious gift.
I would very much appreciate it if you post what Dave and I took the time to write as a rebutal to what you wrote to us publicly on your blog, even if you follow it with a rebutal of your own.
Love the truth Ave! He loves you! He loves me too!
I then sent a second email directly to Ave with the subject: Please post this reply made to your Word Press Blog you addressed to us May 28, 2013
And I resent the post Dave and I sent as a "reply" to the long letter that she had posted on her blog with all of her negative comments for two years from May 28th, 2013 to May 20th, 2015.
To which she stayed up all night and sent two replies to our email at 4:27 am May 20th, 2015 which I include here:
While I must stand by what the Holy Spirit revealed years ago concerning your group, as evidenced by that false testimony attacking Chris that was posted openly on Mike's site and was again posted on Chris' site - was very discordant, misleading and like a gonging bell.
It rang so false that necessitated a rejection response at the time - not that any of the other readers were misled by it but as an exhortation to the writer to double down and look in a mirror and hopefully repent~!! Not to me, as I am not the judge nor did I really want to even bother responding at that time but was compelled to since it was all wrong and I was hoping that by responding it would have had a better outcome and the silly controversies that lay at the time between Dave and Chris would have ended and fellowship could have been restored. No attempt at judging was made at least not in the way Dave is raving about.
it is obvious Dave is still attempting to gain validation by association and doing his own religious thing - which is controversy and silly arguments.
It was hoped that he would have taken heed according to the Word but with the word lunacy that was submitted to my blog after [I think it was] 2-3 yrs ago its almost 'like' having a roaring lion coming and seeking whom he may devour~ so I will not have that on my site..its purpose is not to promote Dave's form of religion - maybe he can try to find a spot on some tv ~ as there are other shows that will send a bottle of oil out for a donation~
Since this is pertaining to a matter that occurred years ago perhaps that I had stumbled somehow on your site, perhaps from a referral or ieven an nvite or something like that -- I saw my response to that silly so called prophecy that was posted on Mike's site & re-posted to your site and - though it doesnt matter to me what you think of me, especially while yielding still to familiar spirits - it matters only about your own relationships to God and if you stand ready to face and meet your Lord.. if you/Dave are fully convinced in his own mind - well good for him - blessings~! [although his last letter didnt seem to indicate that was the case ]
At that time -years ago - when I attempted to reply -on your site- and was not enabled to when Dave was publicly daring me to reply there and as a courtesy I DID try to contact you at that site [ over 2 yrs ago ] , I would think but cant remember specifically that I would have also attempted to contact you via email and or facebook -- but received no reply -- so then posted my reply onto my own Wordpress after Todd had mad another post~ over 2 yrs ago
Never heard a peep from any of you .
Now after reading Dave's last letter and the language used its apparent that there is no change spiritually--- perhaps finding a counselor could help...?
While oiling in and of itself does no harm - its no better than any other religion's use of inflated man made traditions emphasizing the act more than the original spiritual significance of what the Lord was talking about.
There are some TV shows where they will send a tub of oil for any donation~!
I do believe in the biblical symbolic blessings with oil and place the significance in the faith of our Lord with obedience to annointing with oil - such as annointing doorposts and windows of a house needing to be blessed to drive out demonic forces - not that the oil removes them but faith in God -- but using the oil as an act of obedience and symbolically to declare faith in our Lord Jesus~!
There are far more important spiritual and physical happenings occurring today than to quibble over silly controversies or how much emphasis is or isnt enough.
Time to focus on getting our own houses in order -- before Tribulation.
The bible warns that a man's enemies will be that of his own household - which includes the household of faith in some cases - take it how you want - but I think His impending return and the current slaughter of the innocence and the world turning against Israel and the US being infiltrated with sons of Ishmael
takes a bit more importance and focus than silly controversies over which brother is better than the other etc.
Since this delayed reaction and Dave's ridiculous assaultive & accusatory narrative was sent yesterday - to silence the matter, since its not very significant to most , I have removed references that may feel personal to Dave and his specific religion - from my blog site - including removing the Todd's link to your site.
I will not expose my readers to any sort of confusing validation by association to your emphasis with your religious practice.
May I suggest going your own way ~
as it really doesnt matter to me what Dave says or thinks of me nor any of his oily dribble~
I had hoped he would have repented by now - not to me - as I am not the judge - but to God for the terrible things he said to Chris back then on the xcobu site and also those mean things he had said to manipulate Debbie when he did.
He really should repent of those things...
As for me - never met either of you and if we all make it through the tribulation to be with Jesus - none of this will matter nor be remembered :)
Jesus is real, He is alive, He is coming again -
We are going to face tribulation - whether individually or collectively ~
Our nation will be judged for all the evils it has been commiting and good it has been omiting..
Having the corruption in our govt & society which has grown so much its questionable whether our nation will even be able to stand til the 2016 elections or if they will even matter ~!
I will not allow any promo to Dave's under-monitored and spiritually misguided website on my blog~
If he really believes that what he is doing is right before God, then he has no need to be attacking me -- [but I dont care~!]
If he seeks to justify himself - he will only prove himself even more perverse than he neglects to admit to when attacking others~!
Genuine prayer and honesty before the Holy Spirit can do alot more than oiling but he did miss the point of what I had said years ago when he attacked Chris- yet I was not actually judging ~ as he accused me of -
I was shedding light on what he said.
Doesnt matter if he likes it or not..If he repents, praise God - if not - woe to him...
What matters is getting 'right' God's way not his own way and learning to do what is pleasing to Jesus and obeying His word...
Dave et al is not alone in these manned up traditions~ as sadly there are other religious groups infected with the same ritual beliefs and who put too much value on the act rather than on the Lord...
Its not my place to correct every misguided group or cult or persuade nor to take this like passing dog by the ear ~ At this point in time I feel more inclined to ignore Dave ~
Dave did say in his last email that 'a reply was not needed '-- so i didnt reply~!!
So I guess that was less than honest as well, huh? a bit unstable perhaps, as if he cant accept rejection...?
Now for the sake of not wanting to be bothered with this contentious trivia - his name and any slight reference to your group was removed from that blog post- however I never actually had his whole name there anyway or the name of the group as far as I can remember- just a first name -or incomplete name-
BTW he was not the only Dave mentioned in the thread ~ so while he could have garnered it referred to him and your oily cult, most of my readers wouldnt have nor as anyone ever made any reference or response to it.
I would appreciate ~ you all go your own way
as I continue to go as the Lord leads me. --
Seriously - no need reply~!
Silly contentions seem meaningless while even nominal Christians are being beheaded overseas - the USA will not be immune - its done too many ungodly things against God ..
Still these are the days that were prophesied about and we are entering into the latter days - that is far more important to pay attention to than this.
I am assuming you read your husband's posts to me, so if you want to do right,pray to Jesus and start with showing Dave that he should be trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord and what he said was wrong and repent about it all.Dont worry about me - I only trust in Jesus~ He takes care of me.
Whether or not you keep what I said years ago about that false prophecy, you can say what you like and if anyone questions it and wants to contact me they can do so. I wont however respond to those who entertain familiar spirits.:)
I think all this stuff is crazy~
It shouldnt matter to you what I think~
If it bothers Dave then he ought talk to Jesus about it.
There are far more important things to be concerned with than Dave & Chris's age old issues.
No - I will not be bothered with any more contentious nonsense.
Scathing ?? Realy - is that an x cobu brother thing to use superlatives?
Does it make him feel more poweful? Is he holding a form or religion but denying its power or something?
Rhetorical - no reply necessary - Hope Dave finds some right direction & peace~We are living in perilous times...:)