Dave comments on the Grace meeting

WOULD YOU LIKE A BLESSING?

ďAll were baptized into Stewart Traill. In every sense of the word: his teaching, his concepts, his view on life, his skepticism of other Christians.†Go and learn what this meansĒ.

Blessed is he and blessed is she who is able to get free from the grip of Stewart Traill and the Church of Bible Understanding, and those who are able to overcome his lies and curses will have a great reward.


THE GRACE MEETING MARCH 4, 1989


THE GRACE MEETING FOLLY AND FALSEHOOD
OF STEWART TANNER TRAILL

Commentary
by Dave Simmons

This meeting was recorded and transcribed to type. Some comments were not able to be understood and were left out. The recording may not have begun at the beginning of the meeting, so some dialog may be missing.

My comments are in red => Dave Simmons. Things other brothers and sisters said during the session is in green. The Bible verses are in blue type and the RSV (Revised Standard Version of the Bible) was used. Words written between brackets ( ) are the voices of the group at the meeting collectively. If the name of the person speaking was known, it was included. The main speaker is Stewart Tanner Traill, leader of The Church of Bible Understanding.


Stewart: By Grace you are saved, never by faith ..by grace

Steve [=> the name I use for Stewart Traill] opens up the meeting teaching falsehood.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God.

Grace and faith are sisters.

Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him. For whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him

Stewart: Youíve heard it how often? (a bunch of times) You were in fact, as Gayle pointed out, kept in restraint.

In fact, we were condemned to your oppressive prisons, and you refused to let God's children go free.

Eze 34:4 The weak you have not strengthened, the sick you have not healed, the crippled you have not bound up, the strayed you have not brought back, the lost you have not sought, and with force and harshness you have ruled them.

Stewart: You were kept under tutors until this day. There is also, in no way to excuse my ...error...

The lord will by no means clear the guilty. You my former mentor, are not going to get out of this one. No matter what you say or do.

Exo 34:7 keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation."
Num 14:18 'The LORD is slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love, forgiving iniquity and transgression, but he will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of fathers upon children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation.'

There is also an amazing working of God in all this.

Where is the amazing work of God in all of this Stew? What is the amazing work of God Mr Traill. The truth is, that there is no work of God at all in this junk. Why did you choose to lie on that great day? For the first time in years you had a big audience of brothers and sisters, who came looking for something, and all you did was control communication and lie and make excuses for your falsehood. It would have been an amazing work of God if you would have allowed the captives to go free. It also would have been a great blessing for the sheep in your charge to tell them the real truth about what you are and how you have robbed them utterly.

Eze 34:10 Thus says the Lord GOD, Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my sheep at their hand, and put a stop to their feeding the sheep; no longer shall the shepherds feed themselves. I will rescue my sheep from their mouths, that they may not be food for them.

Rom 4:4 Now to one who works, his wages are not reckoned as a gift but as his due.

Mt 25:40 And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.'

Stewart: it's, not to excuse at all...not to excuse me at all.....Thatís one we'll have to get into..

What are you going to have to get into? Once again you speak of a vague generality.

Lk 16:15 But he said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts; for what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

Rm 2:22 You who say that one must not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?

Stewart: Job ďBehold you have instructed many and now it has come to you.Ē (Job 4) ďNevertheless if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.(Jn 8)..(thank you Jesus)

Steve these verses have nothing to do with what you have done. What has come to you? You are by no means Job. The Son does make anyone who calls upon him free. But you have made slaves of God's sheep that he entrusted with you. The flock is saying, 'thank you Jesus' for what?

1Co 7:23 You were bought with a price; do not become slaves of men.

2Co 11:20 For you bear it if a man makes slaves of you, or preys upon you, or takes advantage of you, or puts on airs, or strikes you in the face.

Jn 8:34 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, every one who commits sin is a slave to sin.

Stewart: A child as long as he is a child is no better than a slave...he is under tutors until the day the father appoints...

What does this verse have to do with you missing the grace of God and his Christ? Nothing. This is empty talk and does not benefit the hearers. There is no blessing in this, but you are poring more curses on the heads of the poor and helpless.

Stewart: you better be glad you were..and there is this too...you better be glad you were...

Excuse me sir. Should we be glad that you have made us your slaves? That you have given us a false rendition of Jesus Christ. So let me get this straight, be glad and overjoyed that I've kept you from getting married and having children, and keeping the money you've made. We aught to be glad that we were forbidden to barely visit our families without being worked over.

Stewart: the alternative is worse..appalling as this is...

Steve (Stewart) says the alternative is worse. Worse than what? There is nothing worse than oppression. Stewart Traill not only robbed us of our money, but he robbed us of: joy, hope, peace, and all of the things that pertain to godliness! Oppression is worse than cancer. Cancer tears down and destroys the body, and sometimes it goes in remission and gives its victims a break. Oppression destroys the mind, heart soul, and spirit, and there is no let up from oppression. Oppression is always at work 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Once again Stew is being vague, and no one dares ask him what the heck he is talking about! What is appalling Stew? This is what the bible says about you and your church.

Pro 17:12 Let a man meet a she-bear robbed of her cubs, rather than a fool in his folly.

Stewart: If I hadnít grabbed you ...what then?

When did you die on the cross for the sins of the whole world? You're not the savior of any one! The Lord would never do a gross thing such as this. So much for a better life in your dark and cold prison. We got saved only to join Stew's chain gang.

2Pe 2:19 They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption; for whatever overcomes a man, to that he is enslaved.

Vinny D: ((( saved from my own backsliding...I can see in my own life where I was headed, I might be dead...I can honestly say I might be physically dead.)))

Stewart : Yet as I said all along..but my spirit didnít mean it ..itís not me doing it ..itís God doing it...and it was!

What are you talking about Steve? You do not make sense. What were you saying all along? Your spirit didnít mean what? Itís not you doing what? What was God doing? The truth is, that it was all about you and forget all the rest of you peons. This meeting was about you filling the room with your arrogant gas. Why Stew did you crush council in that day when you could have done so much, but you choose to do so very little?

Stewart: Youíve all been reading Romans a lot lately (yes)...youíve all been reading Romans a lot (yes)..and could not notice this?

The mighty bible teacher is blaming the flock for his error. What a shock. It's never Stewís fault. Why not be a real man and come clean about your sin?

Stewart: well, it is clear that God has decided that it is time for you to transfer your allegiance, if thatís the word, from my spirit to His Spirit (yes..thank you Jesus). There are deeply ingrained ideas and feelings..running wild in our fellowship, many of them directly or indirectly can be traced back to my error.

This is the house that Steve built. Where he pushed for the number saved, to rob, steal, kill, and destroy the children of God. What you have sewn, you have reaped. You have reaped corruption. The Lord will by no means clear the guilty. There are many wrongs that need to be corrected, and one of the greatest wrongs that needs to be righted is oppression.

Exo 34:7 keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation."
Num 14:18 'The LORD is slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love, forgiving iniquity and transgression, but he will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of fathers upon children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation.'
Joe 3:21 I will avenge their blood, and I will not clear the guilty, for the LORD dwells in Zion."
Nah 1:3 The LORD is slow to anger and of great might, and the LORD will by no means clear the guilty. His way is in whirlwind and storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.
Jn 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.
Gal 6:7 Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.

Stewart: Everything has to be re-examined. And this is a good time to do it...What has happened is this..this is another set of..some sort of ah ah...some sort of tying my error to your problem....and ..ah..how do you think Iím doing Gayle?.....

Everything will be re-examined, but not on your terms. Your speech was as smooth as butter, and you did not disclose anything. What is your error and what is their problem? Why ask Gayle how you were doing. You my former mentor are a liar and filled with all sorts of wickedness and deception.

Gayle: Iím not really sureĒ...
Stewart: in speaking anyways....
Gayle: [no answer]
Stewart: I have been unable to speak almost, right Gayle?
Gayle: yeah

Stewart: It is, again, only His grace, that I am even physically able to speak right now.. that is, coherent...

It's funny that you used the word coherent, because your speech is twisted and it does not make any sense at all. You sound like a mad man, who was finally forced to make an admission with a lot of fanfare and hype.

Stewart: I have been a help in many ways.

How were you a help in many ways? How is condemning and abusing the sheep a help?

Stewart: ...but have torn down in others...

Yes you have caused a great deal of damage to the children of the most high God. You go there brother.

Stewart: we have come to depend on faith instead of Jesus.....by faith....the stress is subtle yes...

The truth is that you did not depend on either one. You and your false cult had no faith in Jesus. If you had one grain of salt of faith, your false church would not have been so wretched and corrupt. You Stevie Boy Wonder had no faith and your flock had no faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Stewart: ďitís up to you and your faithĒ...is that the idea that you have? (yes)...Somehow I cheerily bounded off with that idea...and the brothers couldnít keep up with me...faith in His love but itís up to you...somehow...these are absurdities...

This falsehood was never about faith in Jesus. It was about dead presidents (money),we were too young to see you and we were told that it was all for the kingdom of God. Stew you had no faith in his love. The only person you love is you.

Stewart: Why did God allow this?

Why did you do all of this evil, to get Benjamin's? It was about the Benjamin's and nothing else. Yes, It was because there is a great deal of wrong in you and yet you do not disclose anything to your members. What a shame.

Stewart: You think it must be because of wrong in me...Ē (yeah,muttering) this illness is not unto death..it is for the glory of GodĒ... yer saying that kind of thing? Unless...then thereís me ...how can this be?

More bible verses that are quoted out of turn, that do not apply to your sin.

Stewart: Furthermore....Furthermore.. let us, let us erase this whole meeting now...this has never happened....even so I would not rightly..now again..forget the wrong... but I was not rightly strengthening the brothers... you donít think so? see you say ďoh youíve been so much help.Ē go ahead say it...(yeah yes)....it yet remains itís not true...I havenít been...what then?..o

When one sows to his own flesh, from his own flesh, he shall reap corruption. I bet you would love to wave a magic wand that would erase all of this evil and wrong doing.

Stewart: Jesus told the parable...there was a rich man...with a trunk put all kinds of money in...and the woman put one penny in...now whatís the point? [guessing] I could cheerily keep going this way I could..I could cheerily keep going..but in affect, I was just saying to the brothers..what it comes down to, whether I thought I was doing what it comes down to is sayingĒ well..itís up to you..you gotta be faithfulĒand so forth. So where is strengthening the brothers the real way? It isn't.

You finally mentioned money. Money is what you love, what you sought and what you attained by stealth and wicked violence. You were saying to the brothers 'you are not faithful to Jesus' and you never bothered to tell us how we were wrong, so we could correct it. Stew, you constantly found fault with the brothers and never admitted to doing wrong.

Stewart: Strengthening the brothers in faith that you are his chosen..first and foremost...and I am not ..to my shame. building up on the one hand and tearing down with the other..bull in a china shop..I hear my friend back there....

You were never into strengthening the brothers and sisters in the love of Jesus. There was always tearing down and never building up. We came to your meetings only to be condemned by you. Stew, you were a human wrecking ball. Jesus is all about blessing his sheep.

Eze 34:2 "Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say to them, even to the shepherds, Thus says the Lord GOD: Ho, shepherds of Israel who have been feeding yourselves! Should not shepherds feed the sheep?

Stewart: it really has been...and I want you to know something else...are you listening? (yes) you must understand this..how...hard to believe again...this is nothing...there is a real way in which I have been as or more a victim than you ...now think of that...you didnít waste 25 years...and had he not rescued me as he rescued you a short while ago... I wonder what would have become of you...it was that bad. Getting that bad.

Col 3:25 For the wrongdoer will be paid back for the wrong he has done, and there is no partiality.

The wrong doer will be paid back for the wrong that he or she has done. The Lord is not a respecter of person or position. The Lord shows no partiality. You are not a victim, but the damaged flock is the victim. To the victor go the spoils. Woe to they who gets gain by violence, they will not go unpunished. We did waste 25 years of our life in this godless semi cloistered nut house. The only things that Stew gave us for our time and efforts was scars, sores and incurable wounds. What became of many of your flock is not any of your business. You don't care about them anyway.

Jer 22:17 But you have eyes and heart only for your dishonest gain, for shedding innocent blood, and for practicing oppression and violence."

Stewart: ..this has been a stumbling block for all of us including me...poison talk... ď God gives you what you need to get started and then itís up to youĒ ...my my ...look...how easily everyone is returning now..how easily! (yes). Why is it so easy? They are returning so easy. Because Heís doing it (yes..yeah). And all this error...he is overlooking as (if) it were and bringing us back... but enough is enough.

What 'stumbling block' are you talking about? What 'poison talk' are you referring to? You are just making things up and pulling junk out from your backside.

You commit gross sin and error and then lie about it and make excuses. What is the point of God giving you what you need and then leaving it up to us? When one is drunk in the house of the Lord it is impossible to see reality from fantasy.

They were not returning easily. What is there to return to? Gone is the glory of COBU. They came back just to see if you were going to put something real on the table.

You confess to "your error" but then blame God and everyone else! Consider how many "who came to see if you'd actually have any humility" stayed! Donít forget that many who lived-in left, when you said that you: "missed grace!" The Lord does not overlook the errors that you have committed in his name. The Lord was not doing anything.

Stewart : Putting to death ďI can do this part over here myself.Ē I can see that working in me. That's what the brothers...and I would forever teach about Samson...and I am the most...and Iím not a hypocrite, Iím not a hypocrite...you understand this? (yeah) you donít get that? (yes) How many of you donít? He doesnít. How many donít understand that? Gayle how bout you defend me..

More incoherent statements and broken phrases that donít make sense. What is your point? The teaching on Samson was also in error. You say that you are not a hypocrite. You are the 65,000 pound gorilla in the room. If you are not a hypocrite, then what are you? Please tell us.

Gayle : because, um in teaching about Samson, the way that Stewart...

Stewart: while I just....I did it in ignorance...

You did this evil from malice, mischief, and greed.

Gayle: Yeah the way he was doing it himself...

Stewart: a hypocrite knows he was

(right! yes! yeah!)

Gayle: Nobody was telling him ďLook, yer doing it this way..and there was nobody telling him....

Stew, you didnít want any one to tell you anything, because you had all the answers.

Diane Jaquay: Nobody tried telling Stewart before!? I just find it hard to believe.

Stewart: Letís hear it.

Diane Jaquay:I donít want to be judgmental.

Stewart: Yeah, letís hear it.

Diane Jaquay: I find it hard to believe. So many brothers talked about it. I was always under the impression that they wrote you letters and tried to tell you, I mean thatís what I always heard, and I donít even know the whole truth,

but David Wilkerson told brothers and sisters that he tried to talk to you and that you wouldnít listen to him.

I donít want to be judgmental, I know I have a lot of faults too.

I just think you had to have some clue.

You pushed everybody away and made it so hard for everyone to talk to you.

Sister you are correct in your history about the false teacher, Stewart Tanner Traill.

Stewart: And youíre glad I did to, arenít you?

Diane Jaquay : yeah but I..

Stewart: Listen..,Letís start over..you said ďA lot of brothers and sisters think about this..No they donít. They never never never thought that this was bad. No they never thought they thought there was something wrong of course! Of Course! thereís someth.. they didnít think anything of this. And neither did I. Now you say didnít anyone try to talk to me. Well friends like him. ďHow you have helped me,Ē and David Wilkerson...well I donít remember..this was 25 years ago?(yeah) And if my old wine is this bad what must the new wine have been? I donít know what I was doing with him...I don't remember anyway .I donít know what I was trying to say..it maybe as bad as him..I donít know.

When you listen to the audio, Steve (Stewart) seems angry when Diane calls him on his falsehood. Steve is serving out some revisionist history to try to get out of the spiders web which he has spun and Gayle is making excuses and lying for him as well.

He was in so many words, saying I missed grace, now shut up, while I urinate all over you.

You did not have friends because you did not want friends.

"I donít remember," how convenient of you. I guess this is a mild case of amnesia.

Why are you bloviating [Def. talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way] on such a serious matter as this?

How pompous you are when you were too chicken to have an open and honest discussion about what the brothers and sisters felt about grace 25 years ago.

You came to this meeting which you called and behold, you still are not broken, and you are arrogant, and unrepentant. Why did you call this meeting?

How do you know what the brothers thought, are you a mind reader? Why were you afraid to hear what your flock had to say? You did not want to hear what they really felt.

Stewart: ...there is this also: me and other Christians. You know that scripture ďWoe to him who is alone when he falls.Ē (yes) Well I know that scripture, you donít. I know that now. You donít know what that means. Why am I alone?

Stew, you are alone because you want to be. You thought that you were so much better than the other Christians. You only have yourself to blame and no one else. Sin will find you out and it will embarrass you. Stew you do not have fellowship with other Christians because you did not want it with them, because you foolishly thought that you were superior.

Stewart: Why is it that there is no fellowship between me and other Christians? First of all, I gave up long ago. That was my sincere claim. But why, what was the trouble in the first place? Perhaps it was..while insisting...perhaps they were trying to land me with grace..no, I doubt it...no, I doubt it. But! it may have been, that may have been the case. Perhaps someone did somewhere, had to have been way back. Perhaps someone did try. Perhaps someone noticed. I have no way of dealing with it. No memory no...

Why is there no fellowship between Stewart Traill and other Christians? The answer is very simple. Stew did not want to be accountable to anyone, but his big fat head. He did not want to humble himself to anyone. He also knew that the other Christians would never buy his folly. He was hell bent on going on his 'horn of deception' to his get rich quick scheme.

Liar Liar mouth on fire. Liar Liar tongue on fire. Liar Liar pants on fire. You, my faithless former mentor can rewrite history all you want, you still have a great deal of explaining to do. The guilty will not be spared, nor will they escape.

Sister 3: I remember about 10 years ago..um the sisters and brothers in New York found some Brother Monbleau, Wayne Monbleau, and his whole teaching was based on grace, the grace of God, and they would all talk about the grace of God and everybody there, everybody in New York would like mock them and put them down and ..I really donít know.... that's what I remember.

Bobby Whipple: I just heard him on the radio

Stewart: ehuh?

Bobby: I just heard him on the radio on the way here, I don't know, some of the things he says...

Stewart: And?

Bobby: He does speak of the grace of God.

Stewart: you know something else even more appalling? All these subjects, many of the subjects dealing with Godís grace are in fact fairly accurately dealt with here, everything around grace, but grace doesnít exist..thatís thatís more amazing Godís love is in here all over and Relying on Him....you see God was eh ..heh..I guess ah..

I guess they are all running out now..itís getting too boring...(nooooo) apparently (no)

Listen..God was revealing to me over some time when I said ya know back Jan 1, when I said He was restoring me too, I didnít know the tenth of it, I didnít know the tenth of it. Nevertheless um Gayle has been reading the bible studies recently, all the bible studies and see how it's working towards grace and the subjects around it.... hard to even say...I donít know what the sessions are...I knew I didnít know what they were...God was bringing us to the real basis.

I didnít know what I was doing for 25 years, but listen to me anyway. We are better than all of the other Christians. It turns out that we were never taught the ABCís of Christianity. The Church of bible Understanding, turns out to be the church of no understanding. If you Stew claim that you missed grace, then what were we waiting to hear from you?

Stewart: I was selling righteousness comes from faith...therefore...itís through faith, not from or by.

Would that you were selling righteousness through faith.

You were selling fear and oppression and works to obtain salvation.

You would not know faith if it hit you on your nose.

Stew, where were you selling righteousness comes from faith, in your darkroom?

Victor Trapani: I have a question. When I was younger in Jesus I would meet a lot of other Christians and I would hear them talk about this exact thing, about the grace of God, and even though they would tell me about it I would say I understood it, it never really clicked until 2 months ago, so I think it was Jesus Himself revealing it to me personally at the time when He chose to.

Congratulations Victor. You are like your teacher. I know it all, and actually I know nothing.

Stewart: All right whenever you say that, that you also have to come back to the other side, itís also my spirit pushing it out of you and saying ďdonít listen to thatĒ (yeah..yes) How much of that was it too? (yeah yes) You know there are ways..different ways to look at it.

Listen to me and don't listen to those other inferior Christians, they know nothing at all. When in truth your heart was filled with vile corruption, malice and hatred and mischief and robbery and deceit.

Stewart: I was selling righteousness comes from faith...therefore...itís "through" faith, not "from" or "by".

You don't have faith and your flock does not have faith. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.

Brother 2: I remember I used to read a lot of Charles Spurgeon and heíd talk about grace, and I would just think ď well itís 100 years later Jesus has showed us more now

Stewart: uuugh!

Brother 3: I think he must be in error...ya know thatís what I would thatís what I would think ...somehow ..I would really wonder about what you would say about what he said there.

Stewart: How much is it, I could clamor and I could gallop and skip along in my merry way and the brothers couldnít keep up with me (a lot a whole lot) It was my merry way, that is in what I was doing wrong...donít forget also..Jesus used me a lot (yes...sure) ...in spite, but it was in spite ....and if that isnít His grace..according to the bible what is?

How was Jesus using you Stew? I say that Jesus was not using you. Christ Jesus is never an agent of evil. You are grossly mistaken. The sin that you have committed has nothing to do with the bible.

Stewart: His kindness ya know.. His grace was extended to us while we were enemies...Now, we must really get into grace (yeah yes) I mean really....try this saying...There is something to this...Now Grace, Faith and spirit, small s, these three abide, but the greatest of these is grace....small s....small S eh..weĒll have to get into that.

Stewart Tanner Traill is filled with words that don't mean anything. In other words, he is an empty talker. He loves hearing himself talk about nonsense. Empty talk never blesses any one.

Tit 1:10 For there are many insubordinate men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially the circumcision party;
Job 35:16 Job opens his mouth in empty talk, he multiplies words without knowledge."
Eph 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
Col 2:8 See to it that no one makes a prey of you by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ

Stewart: Wine is treacherous....Now hereís what happens...Letís take those three...Grace, Faith, and spirit...thereís a lot of, are...

you paying attention, (yes)

Thereís all of churches overboard on spirit matters. You now know of a church overboard on faith...there are in fact apparently, recently I have been inquiring, that there are some overboard on grace, to the extent that they to the extent that they claim to do away with baptism. you know you can be lopsided any way? (yeah)

Nevertheless those 3 exist.... Grace , faith and spirit..all of them are important. And they have to be in the right balance. And they certainly havenít been here...and therefore I have no idea, I have no idea in the light of the truth, I have no idea about other churches, you know I have to say that...I have no idea...because anyway I would have looked at them, would have been in error.

Follow? (yes) Spirit had better not be the basis, because itís just an anything goes. Faith canít be the basis because then itís hard work. Grace is the basis. Itís not on the basis of works, but of grace. Grace must be the basis.

Stevie Boy Wonder has no idea what he is talking about here and is filled with hot spit, camel snot, and monkey vomit.

If one does not have faith, there is no way to please him. What are you talking about? You don't make any sense at all. This is nothing but babel and rubble and confusion.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God.
Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him. For whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Stewart: Anyways....Romans 10 ď...a zeal for God but it is not enlightened.Ē speaking of the Jews....I have heard it said ďAm I some sort of Old Testament character....maybe thereís something to that...being ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God and seeking to establish their own...now..that had to be true of me...to some extent...partly the problem ignorance, non-enlightened Samaritan doing both at once....I began speaking about relying on Jesus...

Stewart: The big thing is that you have to remove the phony relying on faith before you could actually rely on Jesus. How much are you relying on Faith? (weak muttering)

You see, in other words, hereís another explanation. In some sense or other I have a framework somehow, that I can keep going...does that make any sense?..That you donít have. I wasnít seeing grace,

You were building your framework of lies, deceit, and falsehood of prison cells to keep them housed. Even when they leave, they are still not free from you in their hearts.

Stewart : I have heard it said, "Am I some sort of Old Testament character" maybe thereís something to that..."being ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God and seeking to establish their own"....(Rm 10:3)

No Steve (another name for Stewart), you are not an Old Testament character.

You are not even in the same ball park.

Which old testament character did you have in mind?

What sort of righteousness did you have in mind?

The Old Testament prophets and holy men were sent by God, and they did not act on their own.

Stewart: Nevertheless I could include enough of it in some sort of pseudo-framework to ah..keep going..enough to ah seem right...got it? (yes)

How can you rely on Jesus with some sort of ďItís up to meĒ feeling? (canít) ..contradictory....now a double problem...yanking grace out of scripture...especially out of those three, Grace, faith and spirit...yank grace out....youíve done 2 things, 2 problems.

First, youíve changed...by removing grace...whatís left is changed...but itís also damaged.

You canít yank something out of something without damaging whatís left...it's it's..there are two things...thereís a vacuum....and thereís damage.

Do you follow? (yes) You can see that having happened.

You seem to be talking in code. What damage are you speaking of here? Why not let everyone in on the secret? You call a meeting and do not allow the flock to freely express their thoughts of what they feel think and believe or not believe.

Stewart: Why did I teach you to rely on Jesus with some sort of ďItís up to meĒfeeling? (canít)..contradictory....now a double problem..I.yanked grace out of scripture...especially out of those three, Grace, faith and spirit..I.yanked grace out....Iíve done 2 things, 2 problems. First, Iíve changed...by removing grace...whatís left is changed...but itís also damaged. I canít yank something out of something without damaging whatís left...it's it's..there are two things...thereís a vacuum....and thereís damage. Do you understand How I did this? (yes) You can see how I did this?

How did you change? If one does not have faith, one can not have grace.

If one does not have grace, one does not have spirit. You can't have one without the other.

What damage are you alluding to?

No one knows what the heck you are talking about.

Why are you hiding from the flock? A little honesty goes a long way.

Stewart: That is, violence has been done to faith and spirit too! And then....the actual wrong came in which is relying on faith.....to the point (sighing) I was right...you are saved by faith, by the way thatís in the summary....itís both. Twice, we are saved by faith, donít you people ever check your bible? (yes)

How can you rely on something that you and your false church never had? Mr Traill, you did violence to the brothers and sisters and to the Lord Jesus Christ. This is nothing but babel and rubble and nonsense from the pastor who has gone mad. It is never wrong to rely on faith.

Stewart: I wonder if you have more appreciation of the working of Godís grace among us now? (yes) Grace enough to overcome this sin. Where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more. Shall we therefore sin. God knows that I did it in ignorance. I didnít plan this...I assume that you all know that (yes)

For someone who missed grace, you did not have an ounce of humility or kindness. You were nasty, proud, arrogant, haughty and unrepentant. No grace, no humility. If the leader is not with the Lord, and does not have grace and truth, then where does that leave the body?

Stewart: What about another explanation.....as he said.. without such a foundation..means that there is no framework, there is no sight of the framework....everything is sort of disconnected in a strange feeling kinda way, and every week it is a new direction and teaching and it isnít connected to the foundation, the basis which is grace....which is the way it must be.....minus grace ..all the good things are floating. And how do you ever tie them together? Well you couldnít but I quote "could".. In some sort of a running on automatic pilot....do you start to get a picture?(yes)

Thereís no confidence therefore...confidence is a Big word....big....or..as it is written..

"How come they never marry.?Ē.....for that one alone I repent...for that one alone....Because you have to be like Stewart first (yeah)....and the amazing marriage that He has given me...which is near per...not me.....Iím far from perfect..in fact, Gayle is close to perfect...did you ever hear..I heard some of you people say ďSheís not, sheís like not human.Ē (yes laughing)

This is nothing but vile filth that poured forth from the great and mighty bible teacher. The bible says let no filthy talk come from your mouth. It came from his heart, from his mind and from his soul. These are the things his soul possesses.

Stewart: that marriage itself is nothing but the grace of God. Nothing but. In fact she looked up and found, ďHe who finds a wifeĒ, itís very close, by the way, grace, what is grace? weíll have to get into that (undeserved ..undeserved mercy)

Stewart: Hold it, hold it, hold it, that is the stupidest thing there is, I say, with my fervent spirit, undeserved mercy...that is stupid to talk like that, because mercy is never mercy if it is deserved....so youíre saying mercy is mercy when youíre saying Mercy is undeserved mercy.....fix your brain..in order for to be mercy otherwise grace would no longer be grace...in order to be mercy it canít be deserved...

More horse snot, camel dung, monkey puke, and zebra spit from the mighty bible teacher who claimed that he had secret hidden knowledge of the bible.

Stewart: or it isnít mercy...What is this stupid undeserved mercy...and that is what people say!! (yeah yeah)

Listen Listen..it doesnít even make sense...just in words.....Oh maybe you do deserve some other kind of mercy..do you? (nooo)

well..what is this? now think about it....You know I havenít lost my confidence..my confidence is in Jesus...now where it should have been all along but it wasnít ....and therefore I confidently will say that...what is this undeserved mercy? Get your head screwed on! Noo?! (yes)

Now think about it...

Mercy is mercy is all yer saying.....you donít get it? (yeyyss..noo) If eh, rather eh, Grace is mercy..yer saying Grace is mercy yer saying Grace equals mercy and it doesnít....They are two different things....Grace is something...and it is certainly undeserved as all mercy is..or it wouldnít be mercy....now anyway..anyway...um..anyway...what was I saying before about that...

oh yeah ďhe who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor" now grace is close to favor...close...itís not...but that's approach..thatís one of the words that are around grace...that youíve found favor...that He has extended his grace ..although the grace of God and the grace of Jesus Christ too, by the way, two different things....we gotta get into this

Yawn, This is boring. You are boring. More horse snot, camel dung, monkey puke, and zebra spit from the mighty bible teacher who missed grace.

Stewart: ...see somehow I got saved....And I still think I got saved...I still think I got saved. Did I get saved two weeks ago? Well, I think I have to say, I got saved 25 years ago...I think... but thatís another matter ...I got saved or whatever....and right away...right away...ahh....again you know, ..thereís another thing.

I bought a bill of goods in a way, because what does everybody do? You get saved and then you go to church and thatís about it. Anyway, ah, something like that. I got saved and I lost interest in... that's ..I donít remember doing it, Iím saying...I must have something like, lost interest in salvation.

It was no longer interesting, now well itís over, I mean ah, and I must have been acting something like that, perhaps having bought that, picked that up, who knows? Anyway, thats something, in that area...

More vile filth from the bible teacher who missed the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Stewart: I got saved or whatever, and right away, right away, ah, again you know, ..thereís another thing. I bought a bill of goods in a way, because what does everybody do, you get saved and then you go to church, and thatís about it, anyway, ah, something like that.

David Wilkerson and several others warned you countless times about being alone and pushing other Christians away, but you knew all things and the very thing that they told you has occurred. If you got saved, then why don't you behave like you are saved? Who has bewitched you? Are you settling for staying in the flesh?

Stewart: Well, all right, itís no longer interesting, so now Iíll l get in the Old Testament, now Iíll start interpreting, and thatís what happened. It was a process, in the process since, and ah got into interpreting this and interpreting that and and Matthew 24.

Meanwhile, the most important teaching of all, salvation, and the most important part of the most important teaching was nowhere. And nobody noticed!

Now, in a nutshell, thatís a process sense, do ya follow? (yes) Thatís partly what happened.

What did getting into Mathew 24 get you and your flock? You were trying to do complex math problems, when you did not know the basics. So in the end your flock was empty, because you gave them nothing. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.

Stewart: Yes..eh..Gayle thought studying Matthew 24 would do that... Over the years, how many secretly dreaded it, because fear ďI could loose my salvation, with such an extreme testing, will I make it?" (yeah! yes! yes!)

It's up to me, (voices in response) and you know itís the brothers again, that may, that particular one, maybe even worse with the sisters, perhaps, their feeling, reaction to it, might be worse, but ya know itís still the brothers.

If, if our life is based on works, that faith becomes works somehow, thatís just it.

That's more telling on the brothers...and itís the brothers therefore that um...thatís why I have been speaking of the brothers being set free, think itís true? (yes)

How can you teach that which you do not posses? You do no have because you do not ask. If one lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives liberally.

Stewart: Without grace youíre on a 'crossing your fingers' basis. I asked a while ago ďAre you trying to talk Jesus into saving you?Ē Remember? (yes) Trying to convince him into saving you. (yes)

My goodness, ya know the whole while, I never tried to take Jesus' place. In no way and would always speaking against it, and yet thatís what the devil arranged. Now think about it, something like that, in effect, without grace the chain of how everything connects to Jesus is broken.

More of the same old freeze dried junk from the man who did not know what he was doing for 25 years. You made a mess of things and called a meeting to boast about how you missed Jesus.

Stewart: So all becomes mysterious. Grace is meant to be the the ah, framework, format. Iím saying "salvation is a gift" while under the counter you have to earn it by faith.

"Why donít the brothers marry?" ~ Because they have no confidence.

"Why donít they have confidence? ~ Because of their impossible task.

"What do you think of that brothers? (yes yeah makes a lot of sense)

More filthy talk comes forth from your mouth and heart. You have no honor and you have no credibility. Too bad your flock does not see who you are.

Brother 4: Many of the ones that are married, their marriages aren't very good because of the same problem...

Stewart: Faith has become almost an end in itself, howís that? (yes) One of the translations calls it the instrument, the tool, by the way, I wonder, Gayle?

Ya know, there are of course a lot of salvation tracts floating around, you pick em up right? (yes) Are they all the very same thing? (pretty much). That Itís: faith, faith, faith, that itís never grace? (nooo, itís grace, yeah grace)

Huh? There is grace? (yeah yes yeah) Well, I picked one up, I saw one yesterday, it was zero grace, or a few days ago, there certainly must be grace.

Heb 11:6 ..Without faith it is impossible to please him...

We please God by exercising our faith. This is Christianity 101.

Brother 5: Isnít even the King James text, doesn't it say something the word it, donít they say...ďit is through grace you are saved by faith?

Stewart: Yeah..same thing..thatís Revised...same thing... Say again? Say again? I canít hear ya? (no, no, itís by grace ..)

Brother 5:: I thought the kings James Version as I have seen it on those tracts. said. ďBy Grace you have been saved through faith..the KJV (wait..wait...you changed it ...you said it differently the first time Adrian)

Stewart: It says "by." Iíll bet ya..it says "by grace through faith." (right) Faith is the lesser and Grace is the greater, doesnít matter what translation. (yeah) thatíll come out. Grace is the basis, all the faith in the world, and if He doesnít extend His grace, now, thatís jumping the gun. Without grace as the basis...Be zealous to confirm your call and election, becomes trying to convince Jesus to save you. (yes) Because, the fact that nobody is picking up on grace and you havenít been. You havenít been picking up on it.

The fact that nobodyís been picking up on it, as much as I have already gone into it, shows how deeply everyone is into ďFaith, itís up to meĒetcetera...instilled in...

You did not pick up on a great many things stew. You just can't get grace by talking about it. He who asks receives.

Stewart: Think about that. There is no receiving His grace with thanksgiving, which is almost the basis of Christian life. Christian-Life, thatís right, whereís Orange now? No grace, does the word 'grace' appear anywhere, just the word, let alone? Iíll bet it doesnít. Things we looked at, it doesnít.

The pastor who never knew the basics of the faith.

Stewart : We got a long way to go, people, are you getting restless? (noooo) Notice there is a lot of running out.(yes, maybe take a 10 minute break.) Itís 5:00 now. We can either keep going or take a break or break for supper. (Breakup 10min, go for a while, why don't we take a vote, go till supper?)

Stewart: Well, well we could take a vote, remembering that for freedom(everyone together =>) (Christ has set us free ~ thank you Jesus) Whatís the rest though? (everyone=>) Stand fast therefore and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. To a Yoke of ____? (slavery!)

To a yoke of salvation by faith "quote" "works"....

Are the brothers starting to realize how Jesus is starting to set all of US! free? (yes!)

How many are only starting to? (just a little)

How many think they half understand it pretty much? Well, that's, thatís getting there. Now letís vote: on the break or keep going.

Keep going such as, I mean, I donít want to dwell on me, but ah, up to a point, itís important, the way I have operated, my spirit, what God is doing with me. How Heís been leading me and then finally the right view and balance thatís a big one.

What is the right? What is right then? Well, starting that and about grace and other smaller things or should we take a break? (take a break) or should we take supper? (supper) Now what is Godís will? (supper? I think it's God's will to keep going) Why donít we take a vote?

Stew, you and your outfit never had a right view or balance of anything. Everything that you touched turned to nothing.

Stewart: You see when you sing "Amazing Grace" doesnít really hit you huh? (yes it does, no, no)

Take a vote on it then (yes) How many say we break for supper now? how many say we take a 10 minute break?...How many say no break and no supper? (laughter) Well itís pretty obvious that most want a break. (yes) Right? (yes) So, everybody vote on a 10 minute break or a supper break (yeah) Is supper ready?

Vinnie: Yeah, if were gonna have a break I think it should be for supper, because if we go on to 7:00, it's ah, it makes things hard, the food will be getting messed up. (laughter)

Stewart: Okay, you ready? How is that pure Vinnie and our fellowship? Well, life and actions are to be interpreted in terms of the nearest circumstance only, and we must act on the basis of the closest circumstance, never raise up our eyes into the context of greater things. Ah, now supper is pretty great, thatís true, but but, (laughter) there maybe even greater things, pitiful little ďitís gonna get messed up.Ē (laughter). Take courage Vinnie! Take courage (laughter) See, Iím strengthening the brothers! (laughter) Take courage...

Vinnie: stupid thing I said...

Brother: (to Vinnie) Don't worry.

Stewart: Listen, ah, letís all vote on a 10 minute break or a supper break...Are we all ready? (yes) How many say a supper break now? (clamor) well..and how many say a 10 minute break? Well, they lost (laughing).

Well since itís everybody and I donít know a reason why to do otherwise, maybe a supper break. We can agree on that then (yes) What do you think? (yes).

Stewart: What do you think about this meeting? (Praise God! Thank you Jesus!)

Never would have thought of it. (nooo).

This meeting is the finest of slop, that even dogs and pigs would not eat it.

Denny Dennison: I always thought that we consciously as a fellowship never got into grace because of the potential to take advantage which I always saw in the other churches.

Stewart: Hey, thereís a huge potential to take advantage, but tough luck, that is the route we must go, (Yes) cuz thatís the bible route, that is, yes there is a huge potential. Weíll have to get into that, you never would have thought this, itís a big surprise (yes).

You are saying loud and clear and boasting that you are a false teacher. A false teacher is one who claims to know and teach for God, when in truth they do not hold him in their hearts.

Brother 6: Yeah, we went to see a brother last night in Brighton Beach.

Stewart: Canít hear a word yer mumbling...

Brother 6: Okay! We went to see some brothers in Brighton Beach last night and I remembering saying ďyo, Jesus is, brother Stewart, Jesus has been saving him too!

Stewart: Already did at least two weeks ago! (Thank you Jesus!)

His grace is greater than my shame or my error! (Thank you Jesus! Yeah praise God!)

The next time youíre afraid to make a mistake, because youíre afraid to, in sincerity, do what really looks ruuu ..do what really looks right, really checked..eh really looks right...His grace if if ya are wrong His grace is greater anyway. (Thank you Jesus)

Stewart: TWENTY FIVE YEARS OF ERROR? You try to beat that (laughter) 25 years of colossal error....

Php 3:19 Their end is destruction, their god is the belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things.

More of the same gibberish from the false pastor and sheepherder Stewart Tanner Traill.

Brother 7: I read about..

Stewart: This is no little point. (yeah) Sonya says I should expound on grace more, remember?

Thatís the answer Taloola, youíre the one, expound on grace more, he haw, thatís the answer huh?

MYYYYY, itís an awful lot more than that, this mortal sin, I thought that was a big deal, I made a mistake, I did.

Ha I thought that I was, I bought a bill of goods. That was awful, but that wasnít even the tip of the iceberg, remember that? (yes)

Once in a lifetime bible study I called it, remember? (yes)

Oh my goodness. It is very, very hard, a month from now, you try to picture somebody actually being oblivious to grace, and is fervent in Jesus as I have been, and put that together, a month from now, you try and figure that out, impossible!

Which leads you to wonder. God purposely made me blind to it, "so I am not responsible" (Stewart in a mocking tone) He purposely made me blind to it! etc.. but ah....needs to understand when I said Iím glad itís that bad, because itís proof! Itís my written evidence. What I already know in my spirit, that I didnít do it, I did it in ignorance, thereís the proof. Itís not there.

When will Stew stop blaming God for his own mistakes and failures?

Stewart: If it was half there messed up, that might make me wonder, so Iím glad itís that bad. Itís zero. You donít get it huh? (yeas) A lot more to it, what do you think about this? (Thank you Jesus.)

Stewart: Later we will have to discuss your forgiveness of me or the lack of it, thatís a subject. Now are we all ready to pray together? (yes)

Stewart: Forgiveness is a subject to get into later?

What are they suppose to forgive you for? After all of your clamor, you and your false church do not know the voice of the Lord God and His Christ.

Brother 7: Itís gonna take a while to digest.

Brother 8: For me , it shows how much Jesus loves you fiercely.

Stewart: Boy, that is my hope right there. It is said ďHe has become my salvationĒ that I dare trust him, what He has done for me, even through this.

The lord will not let the guilty go free. The lord will never say to the guilty, that you are innocent.

Brother 9: Seems to me, like a beginning, a beginning of a better relationship with Jesus and with each other. (yes!)

Stewart: based on the sufficiency of His grace. (thank you Jesus)

Lauren Albrecht: Iím not sure but I, I heard that the man that wrote or that Jesus gave the words to "Amazing Grace" that he was a Christian for a long time and came to the realization that he was on the wrong basis..and that..

Stewart: really?

Lauren: God gave him the words, that God marked him with "Amazing Grace."

Brother 10: thereís a little more than that..

Stewart: is that right?

Brother 11: Actually, he was a seafarer, and he dealt in slavery, he was a Christian and he backslid very grossly, and he came back to God and the last part of his life, he was extremely faithful and close to Jesus, but he used to deal in slavery.

Bobby Whipple: He was, he was in a very serious, He was in the Church of England, they thought he committed apostasy. They told him he was finished and ah, because of all the sins that he chose, serious sin, he was into when he was in Africa.

Brother 11: Drinking and slavery.

Bobby: Then he ah, called out ta, he did call out to God and Jesus forgave him and thatís why he wrote the song, "Amazing Grace." (wow...thank you Jesus!)

Stewart: So you see he, he, again, you know we gotta change everything. He called out to God. He put his faith in Godís grace.

Do not be a hearer of the word, but a doer. One who humbles himself will be speedily lifted up.

Bobby: Yeah.

Stewart: and then called out to God, is what yer saying? (yeah, yeah) And he knew that thatís what he was was doing then, same as me. Letís hear some more brothers and sisters!

When you find yourself in a mess, seek the Lord quickly and He will give you a way of escape.

Brother 12 : I know when I was backsliden, it seems ah, the times when I could see Grace most clearly in fact, ah pretty much the only times that I considered it was when I was the very most out of it, with the noose around my neck and the rope broke.

Brother 13: physically

Brother12 : I considered his grace a lot more than I considered my faith at that point

Stewart: that makes sense

Brother 14: I saw God's grace when He made me trust him with 3 children, and I will continue.

Stewart: (whispering) that's His mercy

Brother 15: I think that God has let this happen this long and what is His plan for us? (yeah yes..muttering thank you Jesus)

Bob Muller: It is his grace that brought us safe thus far... (and grace will bring me home! Praise God! Thank you Jesus!)

Stewart: You don't have the view that Salvation is over and done with? (starting to..starting to now..muttering) Right kind of view of that, otherwise Grace would no longer be grace.

How do you get off trying to teach something that you do not have in your heart? Behold, you came to the grace meeting with a bag of worthless mambo jumbo. Where is your blessing oh teacher who missed grace?

Stewart: Now, you must understand, I'm not a fraud.

If you are not a fraud, then what are you? Who are you? Why are you hiding from the flock, how far you have fallen? You are a big fat fraud.

Stewart: I'm not a phony.

You are a huge phony.

Stewart: I'm not a Jim Jones as they say.

You are passing out a new kind of Kool-Aid, that makes every one drowsy.

Stewart: I'm not a false teacher.

It is obvious that you are a false teacher. If any teacher missed the grace of God for 25 years, that man is a thief and a robber, and he does not bare witness to the truth.

Stewart: What I am is a poor one.

You are a poor what? Are you a poor fraud? Are you a poor phony? Or are you a poor Jim Jones? Are you a poor false teacher?

Stewart: I said I was glad, glad, that it's this bad. Job said, "Make me know how I have erred." He said, "If only God would write the indictment, I'd be proud of it. "Well, I didn't, He didn't have to write the indictment, I did.

Sorry Stew, no one writes his or her own indictment. Paul said that he does not judge himself.

Stewart: Furthermore, by the way, I was reading a while ago that bad memory that I'm extremely having, I was reading that this is due to stress and what was the other one? stress and something like that. Job said, "Make me know how I have erred."

Also, "Those who err in spirit will come to understanding." We'll have to get into, somehow it's my spirit, somehow I erred in spirit. before erring in words. But um, oh yes, I'm glad, I'm glad that it's that bad, trying to put in why, because it is written proof to my sanity that indeed I did it in ignorance. That is, I can see, had I had I tried to deceive, I wonder if I could have done it as well. I tried to remove grace this well, leave no traces, tried to make some weird thing, which I , even I can't say I did, when I see how well it is done. that uh..that's the reason that I have received mercy. right there. It is that I did it in ignorance. colossal eh colossal thing that is that "sin abounds, grace abounds all the more. The subject to which I was oblivious for 25 years while getting more of it all the time. This subject, my error, was the subject of grace. We'll get into that later.

This is the day where the leader wasted every bodies time talking folly and nonsense, and was trying to deceive once again, so that he could cause many who had left this mad house to return, but he was mistaken.

Steve is lying to himself and he is lying to the flock. His true lovers are Jackson, Grant and Franklin (king cash), the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. In short, you are in love with this world.

Did you not take pleasure in lording it over the brothers that you not only were married, not once but twice. You had offspring, and you kept the choice sisters for yourself, where no one else could reach them, in the name of being faithful.

1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If any one loves the world, love for the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world.
Col 2:21 "Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch"
Col 2:22 (referring to things which all perish as they are used), according to human precepts and doctrines?
Col 2:23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting rigor of devotion and self-abasement and severity to the body, but they are of no value in checking the indulgence of the flesh.

Stewart: The Language, but uh shows all the more that it's by His grace that He shows me, no one else did. Only He could have, I couldn't, I didn't. The fact that He showed me and at this point in time. You say, breaking down, you don't know how badly I was breaking down.

At this point in time when He's clearly uh rescuing us all, He rescued me. I mean rescued. I wonder if "petering" I wonder. I was petering out. I wonder if that word actually means, actually comes from Peter's problem which is my problem, partly.

The Lord is going to rescue his sheep from the false shepherds, even those that are in the wolf's mouth, that is how much he cares for his sheep.

Stewart : All these things, these ills, from the brothers at least, are made worse by me, everyone of them.

All of what things? All of what ills? What was made worse by you?

Brother: All of them?

Stewart: All these things, I think everything. Maybe everything. But certainly a lot and at least I've been making it worse. Well, His grace toward me. The fact that I, that I can exist... you know, you may not have thought of it yet, He could have rescued, He could have wiped me out and rescued the church very easily. He could've anyone. I was oblivious. I don't know how it could happen. But in fact, you knew it, I was oblivious to grace. It's one of the two. I was oblivious to grace or have totally being, total deceiver the whole while. It's one of the two. When you read, do you understand, that we looked in this book and cannot find the word grace, except in the middle of of Faith in your Salvation, quotes the verse, "For by grace are you saved" and that makes it worse yet and and totally oblivious to it everywhere else......what?

Stew you are filled with more of the same, confusion and chaos.

Stewart: Faith has become, so-called faith has become everything. Therefore, it's on me. We'll get into, "I could take it, the brothers couldn't" I could take it for longer, that's all.

Faith is everything dude. Don't you know your bible?

Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the world was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was made out of things which do not appear.
Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him. For whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Brother: well I tell ya I seen grace at work in my life and in a lot of us when I rededicated, I knew it was nothing I did and with a lot of brothers who returned I could see it was a big example of God's grace, Him doing that, I think specifically to show His grace that He has on us. I think about that a lot (voices in agreement).

Stewart: I have not been acknowledging His grace. Not in my, not in my own life. Not making it known. Still can't believe that I did it. I have to of course. While we're on the subject. When did I ever speak on the subject of my sinfulness? (murmurs of " I would say never, never really")

There are tons of things that you have not brought to the light Stew. It is never too late for you to come to the light.

Brother: I remember you telling us once that if we lived inside your body for a minute we would go crazy.

Stewart: Did I? (yeah, yes)

Brother: I remember you saying a few times that "I was the worst one among you."

Stewart: Yeah, I said it a thousand times. I'm no better. But nobody believed it. (right right, that you had so much faith)

"Because I have so much faith, because I can take it. huh. ah, I said a thousand times I'm no better. But somehow my spirit is selling that I'm sinless, (yeah, yeah true) therefore the brothers must be sinless like Stewart and everything will be alright. (right, right) and many such things, many such proofs.

I have a boxful now. Along with a last little pack at the end, "Maybe it wouldn't have mattered anyway." That is a, a ah, is it perverse or is it something else?

It's now that it really matters. The older brothers. How much difference would it have made? That's a good question. Try, try anyway with your next 18 year old, one would think it doesn't matter what you say. However, be that as it may, it's with the older brothers that ah, it becomes extreme example of this.

You ate and drank and wiped you mouth and said "I have done no wrong". You actually thought in your heart that you were sinless. No one can say I have never committed sin.

Pro 30:20 This is the way of an adulteress: she eats, and wipes her mouth, and says, "I have done no wrong."
1Jn 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Stewart: When did you hear me say much at all on the subject of repentance? ( voices mixed)

You never taught repentance. What do you need to repent from? Stew your secret sins will be found out so all can see.

Brother: It always seemed up to us. We had to do it. Grace wasn't talked about in repentance. (voices) "I might be mistaken but I think quite a bit," perhaps he's talking about repentance

Stewart: I think I've repented more in the last 2 weeks and then 2 months and then a hundred times more than eh than everything else put together until I wondered what has been going on. y'know I, I am given to dramatic exaggerations to make a point. I'm not exaggerating. I am not exaggerating. We as a church to this moment, and that's another one, when, where, and how did we become a church, if we ever did, when where and how does any church become a church if and when it does? And for that matter, Where, when, and how if there is a where, when, and how is someone born again or are they saved? A lot of this is ah...We have to redo everything...from the bottom up. And that is no exaggeration. Grace is much more important than faith. And that was completely turned around. And more than that. We as a church to this moment have no appreciation of grace.

Stew, what did you repent from? What was your sin? Where two or more are gathered in his name he promised that he would be there, is that not a church? The bible says this:
Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Come on now Steve. If you don't know, how do you expect your flock to know? And, at one time, you called yourself gold, when you were really black and dark.

Stewart: We as a church to this moment, and that's another one, when, where, and how did we become a church, if we ever did? When, where, and how does any church become a church if and when it does?

And for that matter, Where, when, and how if there is a where, when, and how is someone born again or are they saved?

A lot of this is ah... We have to redo everything...from the bottom up

You are not going to redo anything. Its to late for that. Another one of your broken promises, that you did not keep and in truth, you had no intentions on keeping.

The mighty bible teacher who missed grace is asking elementary questions. When, where, and how did we become a church? How and when is someone born again? Are they saved? Here are the answers to your query.

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them."
Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For man believes with his heart and so is justified, and he confesses with his lips and so is saved.

If you missed grace, then what were you teaching and what were they learning from you? What were they waiting to hear? Your loyal subjects hang on your every word, whether it be right or wrong. This is the house that Stewart Traill has masterfully built by deceit and cunning and craftiness.

PAUL: Ah, I started wondering, about ten years ago, when I first prayed to Jesus with Brothers and Sisters that day. And I know that inside, I felt a huge change, a big change in my life and I did ask God for His Holy Spirit and I always thought, I'd been born again from that point and now , I'm like, ya know, there have been a lot of times over those ten years that i have rebelled against Him. and done a lot of wrong things against Him.

Stewart: You, you were not born again, you have deceived yourself. As it is written "little children, let no one deceive you." You have deceived yourself or did some character deceive you?

Stew tells this brother that he was not born again, you have deceived yourself. I guess Stew is all knowing and all seeing about correct bible doctrine. This is the same man who missed grace for over 25 years!

This brother is slammed by Stew again. He taught this brother and all of us who sat under him for a time, what it means to be born again, and now he is retracting his own teaching. As I said earlier, nothing had changed and Steve had not changed. Stew changed for the worse, and not the better.

PAUL: Thats what Iím trying to put my things together not."

Stewart: Look at this. I practically said what it was and what you heard the last 2 months and you still didn't go to, grace is the problem. (coughing)

Haven't you looked in these books lately and noticed there's no grace? (yeah, no no) With all the grace talk (sounded so good) What sounded so good? (you know something, something that's)

How many did, by the way, and didn't say it? How many of you thought, the problem is grace? There is no grace, didnít say it.

The church that has no grace, no faith, no hope, and no love of God, and no love for one another.

Brother: I thought, I thought, I thought it was, grace was different because there's been more emphasis. (He already said that.).

Denny: The way I was looking at it was, I was looking at it, I was looking at more from the place of I thought you were getting more of an appreciation for grace but it never dawned on me that we...

Stewart: More of an appreciation! (That's what I thought)( I never really thought that)

Stewart: Listen, Listen, Gayle's only language is a while ago God woke me up. It was that bad. He woke me up. And rescued me. And he has in fact, (sigh) and uh, that's hope (that you can see)

Stewart: Grace is the foundation. Jesus Christ himself is the foundation, but the next thing on is grace. So he is the foundation on Jesus. Grace is the founda... building on Jesus, grace immediately.

Stewart: And this teaching is a house built on sand. Not the church, the house, the teaching is built on sand. And the teaching has come to nothing.

Stewart: It is based on error and contains error, contains appalling errors. Flat statements contrary to the gospel, flat contrary. I can be bitter toward all my friends as Job of course.

You go there Stew. Who are your friends that you could be bitter towards? You had no friends. Brother Stewart is brother to none.

Stewart: But, having his lesson, I haven't been impatient. You know it's been hard for me to say anything to you people for 10 days, knowing all this, not wanting to start things wrongly. And 2 months previously and longer that God was waking me up. I sat here at the last meeting, at the end noticing that I was unable to put together grace, election, sanctification, unable to speak of these things.

Corrections, God has been trying to wake you up for more than 25 years and you refuse to be corrected. The scoffer despises correction.

Pro 15:12 A scoffer does not like to be reproved; he will not go to the wise.

Stewart: Very hard for me to to ah believe it. Gayle found this verse in scripture, won't tell you where, look it up later.

It's about Apollos, who went around with Paul. Apollos was, was teaching about Jesus, quite accurately and with a fervent spirit, but he was in error. Priscilla, Aquila took him aside and they told him the real story and then those who had received grace heard him gladly. (murmur of assent wow...)

Indicating that, indicating that, it may have been the very same thing. Those who had received grace heard him gladly. Now do you remember that verse? (yeah)

Don't bother now, in fact, FORGET YOUR BIBLES, pay attention. I'm the lesson today, not the Bible. I myself am the lesson. So learn a lesson.

His fervent spirit, his fervent spirit was and some accuracy, yes and he was well versed in the scriptures. I used to be maybe. And he went with his fervent spirit in the synagogue, in the synagogue he went around insisting on Jesus, but apparently, ah devoid of grace.

Apparently oblivious, indicating maybe that was the problem. Certainly oblivious to something. And then those who had received grace afterward heard him gladly. And later he was as follows

The Lord will by no means clear the guilty. It does not matter how many words of fake confession you spew, you will not get off the hook.

Exo 34:7 keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation."
Num 14:18 'The LORD is slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love, forgiving iniquity and transgression, but he will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of fathers upon children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation.'
Joe 3:21 I will avenge their blood, and I will not clear the guilty, for the LORD dwells in Zion."
Nah 1:3 The LORD is slow to anger and of great might, and the LORD will by no means clear the guilty. His way is in whirlwind and storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.

Stewart: "It's about Apollos, who went around with Paul. Apollos was was teaching about Jesus, quite accurately and with a fervent spirit but he was in error." This is not who Apollos was at the time and this was not what he was doing. According to this scripture Apollos was instructed in the way of the Lord, but only knew the Baptism of John. He was not Paul's traveling companion yet because Paul hadn't met him yet. Priscilla and Aquila found him bold in speaking in a synagogue. The Scripture says: "he spoke and taught accurately.

Will the real Stewart Traill please stand up. Apollos was humble, and you are proud and arrogant. You are not in the same ball park as Apollos.

Stewart: Priscilla, Aquila took him aside and they told him the real story and then those who had received grace heard him gladly. (murmur of assent wow...) Indicating that, indicating that it may have been the very same thing."

More filthy monkey puke from the vomit master, praise God and thank you Jesus.

Stewart: His fervent spirit, his fervent spirit was and some accuracy yes and he was well versed in the scriptures. I used to be maybe. And he went with his fervent spirit in the synagogue, in the synagogue he went around insisting on Jesus but apparently uh devoid of grace. Apparently oblivious, indicating maybe that was the problem. Certainly oblivious to something. And then those who had received grace afterwards heard him gladly. And later he was as follows"

You were fervent in wrong doing Stew. You are a sneak thief. We see you. Your tackle hangs loose.

Isa 33:23 Your tackle hangs loose; it cannot hold the mast firm in its place, or keep the sail spread out. Then prey and spoil in abundance will be divided; even the lame will take the prey.

Stewart: For 25 years? Was it? By the way. To your shame, well, they didn't really. I walked in here and I actually said..and nobody threw up. I actually said, "Can't you rely on your faith?" That's worse than saved by faith! Now you're even relying on it, it's everything. You rely on your faith. How many of you said, you didn't, you didn't say it, but you thought "that is wrong!" Let's hear it! How many said, "that is wrong." Let's Hear It! Up or Down! What did you say Bob?

More empty talk, and false, and misguided gibberish form Stewart Tanner Traill.

Bob: I thought it was wrong cuz we just had a lesson on relying on Jesus. but...

Stew never knew what relying on Jesus meant, therefore his disciples don't know either. Like teacher like student.

Stewart: What is, what is the use of all these lessons? These lessons are accomplishing nothing. It's my fervent spirit that's doing everything.

You're not listening to the lessons even as far as they do go. You do what I do. I say "don't smoke" but I smoke, so what do you do? (smoke).

It's nothing, but God's grace that which I was oblivious, which has brought us thus far, nothing but. It's all the more clear. Even with that error of that magnitude, so that the deepest possible error. I can't believe that no other Christians, I can't believe that no other Christians, an error of that magnitude, could not be spotted. I can't believe it. But there it is.

Where is grace? Faith in His promise. Where is grace? Yes, the concept is good. And in fact all the better, 12 ways to practice, that's all the better, that word. Because that's what this is practicing. Now the real use of faith..that's something else.

Wow to him who multiplies words. This is nothing more than perverted speech.

Ecc 10:14 A fool multiplies words, though no man knows what is to be, and who can tell him what will be after him?
Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is hatred of evil. Pride and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I hate.

Stewart: That's something else. These are indeed, 12 ways to practice where they, where they properly...speaking of grace and the other matters. But the real use of grace, and the real use of faith rather is in believing and in walking by faith that we are God's chosen and elect and that His grace is given to us.

We have to get into this and thereby..grace is first, faith is second.

We are saved by grace not by faith. We're saved through faith. Faith is necessary. But faith is the basis. Now of course it's ruined. I wonder. I might as well say it (I'll just go ahead)

If you took this book to all the, to the ah bible schools, would they say this is good?

I, I, I'm appalled to say I think they would. I think they would buy it. It is written with a fervent spirit and is saying good and right things. The word "subtle"...this is nothing but the work of the devil. Period, nothing but. It is so subtle, so beautiful and perfect. Wish I could a done that well. Wish I was that good. I'm not.

Therefore, who has saved us all these years? (Jesus! by grace, by His grace)

If you took this junk to the churches, they would not be interested in your heresy. Remember, they told you from the beginning that you were off the rail. Take it to someone who is really down on their luck.

Why are you boasting about how the devil the destroyer of the brethren has used you to wreck so many brothers and sisters lives.

Stewart: And you have this feeling Stewart is saving us. That's what you have, your feeling (voices of accent) somehow. One of the last.....I was handing out these comments about the, this meeting, y'know I hand 'em out, one a day. The last one, I didn't hand out was, "I wish the the uh Christian movie Hollywood cameras could be here for this meeting." to uh make a movie of this meeting. ya think? (yeah)

The rest of it was, the rest of the saying was "I've worked very hard for this meeting and I deserve it" (right) and that was going to be the card. Well I have worked very hard. I grew weary with hard doing. Even I grew weary. Sin began showing up in my behavior. Poor Gayle, had to bear the brunt of it. And toward all of you. How was I behaving toward you?

The puke master is selling tons of vomit and the sheep are buying this by the gallons. Puke for sale at a discounted rate.

Stewart: And toward all of you. How was I behaving toward you?

Brother: A cruel father-like

Stewart: Let's hear it. A year, 6 months, two years? 5 years? Can't figure it out huh? (no)

There's a lot of good practical things in here, they helped you a lot if only the basis were there. In fact, If only the false basis weren't there and the right one was.

If somebody were trying to avoid grace but still trying to make something look accurate, I wonder how much better they could a done?

Maximum accuracy minus grace. If you're gonna try that, I wonder how you could do much better? If that were the goal, I don't think I could have done that well. There is an amazing space where amazing grace should have been. (yeah, some laughter).

There really is. And we used to sing that, (yeah)back in 137. I am appalled at the whole thing.

You were not appalled at the robbery and theft that you carried out and perused. If you were, you would have fallen on you knees to the Lord and repented.

Stewart: of this you have heard before and the word of truth, the gospel which has come to you as indeed in the whole world, it is bearing fruit and growing so among yourselves. From the day you heard and understood the grace of God in truth.

Understood?! I never, I never knew it. Literally. I was totally oblivious.

Totally oblivious. I know I did it in ignorance. Can you believe that? (mixed voices) find hard to believe it is,

(ST voice louder) The amazing thing, God has done amazing things through me for you! Many, many, many, every one of them was only His grace! It wasn't me at all. In fact, it was in spite of me. Now think of that for (unclear).

You couldn't do much better on a Grace Hollywood movie. And is there someone more sincere than me? Maybe, maybe not.

Stew what amazing things did God do through you for us, that we could not do much better on a Grace Hollywood movie? One thing that is clear, is that both you and Hollywood are masters of deception.

Stewart: Now, what in me could ever, is it something in me, I, I assume.

Why did God allow that? Is it dawning on you that I have been oblivious, grace doesn't exist, doesn't exist. You never heard me speak it did you?

Don't blame this on God Stew. It is all your fault and you know it. He who digs a pit will himself fall into it.

Pro 26:27 He who digs a pit will fall into it, and a stone will come back upon him who starts it rolling.

( no, no , not until recently)

Brother: beginning to

Stewart: What?

Brother: different!

Stewart: Different heh? (laughter)

Brother: Seems a lot more fair to me that really is Grace is the basis and I haven't been living according to that.

Stewart: Let's hear it (it's gonna take time) A week at the most (laughter)

However, (laughter) However, what's needed is starting all over again (yes)

God has consigned all of us, that he might have mercy on all and error. We're gonna pray together, Lord willing. Now how are we gonna pray together? (mixed voices, the words by his grace and mercy and salvation are heard)

You know it's almost against the ah scripture almost, that all that you do, do in thankfulness for the grace that you've received. You realize that? All that you do, do in thankfulness for the grace that you have received. Not hoping to earn something. Are we ready to pray together? (yes)

This is nothing but more elephant puke, that is smelling up the joint, but praise God. If you say the word grace a million times your fellowship will still not posses, see, understand nor attain grace.

Stewart: Thank you Jesus! (thank you Jesus)

So how's your shock value people? (mixed voices..."it's getting less")

On the other hand some of you were well on your way, 25 years of no grace. No appreciation of grace. you know it's been 10 days now that I've realized that, 10 days and I am shocked as ever, still total shock.

I don't see how I could have done that. I keep saying that, I don't know how I could have done it but I did it.

How very very hard to believe, but there you have it. Now ah, however why don't we get into instead of ah...

What we need to do is redo everything ah, redo our lives as individuals and as a fellowship so that everything is firmly based on grace. (thank you Jesus)

Now face it. It hasn't been. That is God's grace has been working for us but ah, our lives and and ah fellowship has not been based on grace at all.

So, how do we do it, easier said than done.(yes)Any suggestions?You know something we gotta start? Bible studies such as we had 20 years ago, now what was it like Gayle?

For 25 years I had no clue what I was doing. Lets study grace now, and all will be okay praise God!

The sheep sat there silently and said nothing, while Steve, the evil buffoon, emotionally abused them again and again.

To add insult to injury, he would not allow them to speak their minds and hearts.

Gayle: Where we would all fellowship together in trying to understand God's will and not be assuming Stewart knows everything and just sitting there waiting for him to show us. (murmur of assent "right, I agree").

Stewart: Now how do you like that.. Bob Whipple was there Neil was there.. There was not the assumption that Stewart knows everything.

Bob: right we had We would all get together at 137,and Jesus would show us things and we'd be all get in there, Jesus would be showing brother Stewart things...

Stewart: Harold? Where's Harold? Is he here?

Harold: yeah

Stewart: See Harold was there. (yep) We used to have bible studies and that one little house was all we had (yep) and,

Gone are the good old days of glory.

Bob: we were all involved, it wasn't always Brother Stewart we were all given our opinions, what we thought it meant and everything, and y'know Jesus was using all of us together.

Stewart: That is God's grace has been working for us but eh our lives and and uh fellowship has not been based on grace at all. So, how do we do it, easier said than done.(yes)Any suggestions?You know something we gotta start? Bible studies such as we had 20 years ago, now what was it like Gayle?

Gone is the glory Steve, and this heap of ruins is in your charge. This is the work of your own hands. Your outfit never had grace and it has no chance of getting grace. You will not do the thing that is required of you to get grace in this cesspool.

Stewart: I was starting from scratch at that time and that's what I'm doing now. How do you like that? (wow, thank you Jesus)

What was I saying just humanly, just humanly alone, try that, and you're 53 and you say "well yes, the last 25 years, come to think of it, I was all wrong, okay, I'll start all over again.

Just try that. At 53, just in anything human. However that's the state, and it's not human, infinite way, way eternal and yet that's what's needed. I and everyone must start over and in fact a bunch a backsliders all the more (yeah)

Therefore, therefore, and another thing maybe it wouldn't have mattered actually we're running out of these books anyway so it's...(laughter)

25 years later and you find out that your pastor from his own mouth says that he missed grace and now he wants to still lead you in all of the truth!

My pastor is nothing more than a sneak thief, and a con artist who does not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

My pastor is a con man and is filled with hatred and does not know which end is up. Why all the falsehood Mr. Traill?

Stewart: Everybody asks, "How's your relationship with Jesus?" You ask that all the time, right, to each other? (yeah)

And you immediately follow it with, "Is it based on his grace?" Right? (no, no then pledges to change that)

Is relationship with God based on His grace? (hesitating...yess)

How do you know?..heheh at this point. well alright by faith...however that's what you gotta ask.

And that's what you gotta be looking for, actually more, looking for what it means...How do you see the grace of God? How do you know if someone is based on the grace of God or whatever?

Steve you are all over the place. It is clear that you don't have any clue as to what the heck you are talking about or teaching.

Steve you enjoy playing fast and loose with the rules. You are asking the wrong questions.

What does this have to do with your sin and how you have hurt the flock?

Brother: Because the kindness of your life. How He shows you and gives you things and does things in your life and it's nothing that you do, it's that He does it for you.

Stewart: Okay, but ah, our fellowship must be in grace, by the way, ah why not instead of calling these "backslider's meetings" why not call them "Grace" meetings (yeah Thank you Jesus)

Do you realize that we're saved by grace? (yep)

And kept by grace? (yeah)

What does it mean, "My grace is sufficient for you"? That means you get all you need. (yeah, yep)

He gives more grace to the humble. Remember that, therefore he gives more grace (yeah yes)

We are saved and kept. That's going to be very obvious. Yes, you don't want to accept that I too make mistakes and really serious ones because, if you don't have to face that then you don't have to trust Jesus, because I'm perfect, you just trust me (yeah)

See? Same old thing. You don't want to accept , see what's going on, after that last session? That's part of what's going on. You don't want to accept what?

Mr. "I am almost perfect" finally admitted 25 years later that he too makes mistakes. Lets alert the media about this. It's too late for that old man. You were having backslider meetings for what purpose? When in truth the whole place has fallen into gross sin.

Bobby: I saw myself in other words when you when you ah you know when you told and said the truth about yourself, I was shocked because uh I was more trusting you and uh trusting all uh but uh rather than relying on Jesus to show me things. more trusting that you would show me things I think that's the reason I acted that way. y know shocked shocked y'know.

Stewart: It started out as Jesus showing you things through me, (right) but then what did it turn into? (you, "Stewart told us", "Stewart said", Brother Stewart rather than Jesus)

You could have done so much, but you chose to do so little. You only have yourself to blame and not another.

Brother: It did start out with Jesus, through you and um just taking for granted and ah getting into ah just trusting that you'll tell us what to do.

Stewart: So then scriptures aren't the authority, Stewart is. (right)

On the other hand, these lessons, all the loose pieces, that's what this is, all the loose pieces floating around with no grace to to ah unify ah if the loose pieces floating around are that good, what would it be with the real basis? (murmur of enthusiasm).

Where, where ah, ya don't have to stop every minute and say "well how does this connect to that and how does this connect to that and you gotta hold all these things in your head at once to make any sense out of it? ya'know what I mean? (yes)

You need grace. Living accordingly, that's another thing, according to God's grace as our basis. Whole new ball game, what did I say it'd be after this meeting?

(whole new ball game)

There was no new basis. Nothing changed that day. Stew's words are wind, and they did not mean anything. They left that meeting with the same dirty empty feeling inside, and behold, there was still no grace of the Lord Jesus.

Stewart: "It started out as Jesus showing you things through me."

What happened? Where is your church now? You Steve used to boast and say "the doubters will be sorry" They were right and you are wrong about a great many things.

Stewart: Now, somebody mentioned back there that grace is a chance to take advantage.

Remember earlier? (yes)

It sounds scary because it's a chance ah, it certainly is and there's no question about it and that is the danger and wine is treacherous and salvation by works is a drag. (that's true, that's right , laughter)

Therefore grace, faith and spirit.

The problem with grace is take advantage and the classical with with grace, the classical with the grace problem is "once saved always saved" and "anything goes"

That's the classic case and problem. Spirit, well, you name it, wine is treacherous and the spirit is mad and well that could be anything, total ah, there's a lot of wild spirit talk.

You know what can happen and with ah faith again, own too much faith (works)

Now the truth is all three are rightly put together by Jesus. All three are there. And there are problems with going overboard on, on everyone of them.

Anything did go in your house Steve. The spirit is not mad, you are greatly mistaken. It sounds like you are filled with fear. Faith and works are not the same.

Stewart: Now it is true that with grace, the ah, the potential to take advantage is there. That's why earlier, I was saying that if you have to error, better to error the way I did. You don't get it? (yes)

You don't get it huh? (yes)

Of the three, take advantage, (that's horrible)

Just take advantage of wuh..."I UOOOOO7 just say I'm sorry and move on" ah that's our basis, which is uh obviously, that's horrible, and how about wild spirit talk, just whatever. had to even defined (confusing) chaos total anything. It's been bad enough but now the idea is to make it right in all three. Now the chan the uh, uh grace gives us the chance to take advantage, there's no way around it. and you'll hea, you see a lot about that, hear and see a lot and and you realize it already?(yes) Grace says our salvation is already finished. We already have it. There's nothing left. There is nothing to work for. He said, "It is finished" and...that's it, it's all over. The problem is how do you react to it. Now, His chosen, the elect are so thankful that they have this salvation guaranteed, that they react in thankfulness, while the others react, you name it. But the real ones appreciate and wouldn't dream of taking advantage and are so thankful for the easy basis. Thereby prove who we are. Starting to make sense to you(yeah)We oughta get into this whole pack here called called, The Beginning of a right view and balance. I'll just read thru these things, a lot of notes, and we gotta study em..sitting up. On the one hand, once saved always saved. On the other hand, going round and round "Am I going to earn salvation by my faithfulness?" Now God grace is the key to the right approach, the right balance. How do we arrive at the right balance between security in our salvation and our need and responsibility to walk by faith...and led by God's Spirit. And it really is God's Spirit, not me having fun. Now, how do we arrive at the right balance. "Right" in quotation marks, what God calls "right." which means security in our salvation, uh need and responsibility to walk by faith, and being led by God's Spirit. (all three). and here's another point that uh may sound strange, another thing will grow upon you. It isn't how faithful you are, it isn't how well you use your faith, that isn't the...eh, the most important thing is whether you have faith or not. Everyone, everyone who has faith is justified. Are you aware of that? While we're on the subject, let me tell you another one. However much I have sold this one, now what a shame ..Faith..

One can not teach what one does not have. You did not feed your flock faith, but you have feed them pain and oppression. This tirade of yours proves that you were making things up as you went along. Who was taking advantage of who? It turns out that you Stew was the biggest culprit of us all when it came to taking advantage of the flock.

Still more filthy slime from the slime maker.

Stewart: much did, pathetic, now what a shame. Faith is not a seed. However, much did, did I sell that one (yes, seed of faith). Faith is not a seed. The truth is, the bible says, that we were assigned a measure of faith, each of us, long ago. We were assigned a measure of faith, a certain amount. And, His chosen ones, my sheep hear my voice, they react to His call by faith automatically. We have it, not all men have faith. But...all His chosen do. You have faith and when you hear the gospel, you respond to it by faith thereby beginning to prove who you are. while the others, "it did not meet with faith in the hearers and it was of no benefit to them. We're gonna have to get into that. That's one of the, one of the bases of telling who you are. Do you have faith? Are you of those who still have faith or have you lost it? Now, you gotta decide. We are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed but have faith, have it. We're justified by believing in Jesus. And we continue to be justified by faith. Now here's uh statement, something like this. By the measure of faith that was assign us long ago we respond to His call to come to Him and receive our measure of grace, perhaps we already received it. So receive grace which is always sufficient for us. Then by our faith we begin to realize that we are His chosen and elect. And this faith leads us to follow Him then. Not to earn salvation but as the normal result of salvation that has already been seen to exist and is further seen through faith. Now something like that. We're gonna find out.

Stew fed us with gravel and sand and they thanked Jesus for it. Christian don't need to prove anything to the world or their neighbor. Christianity is a matter of the heart. Wherever your heart there is your treasure.

Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Stewart: I wonder the more evangelical a church is the more imbalance there is. Wonder if that's the rule. The price of fervency and evangelism is is error. I wonder if that is eh..that's just one to consider.

More falsehood, bull dung, camel snot and monkey vomit.

Stewart: "Free" is a grace word, one of the words around grace, "free." And being set..."free is a grace word being set free by and through grace is one of the fundamentals. We were set free by grace. Does that ring a bell? (( yeah)) not really ((murmuring)) not really okay not really. But these will grow on you. Being set free by and through grace. For freedom Christ has set you free and don't use it to take advantage. Nevertheless he has set us free and it's over and done with. And we will prove who we are, if we value what he's done. The truth is we must be led by His Spirit to walk by faith in His saving grace. that's the sentence putting them together. The truth is we must be led by His Spirit, to walk by faith in His saving grace. Grace is the basis, but faith is how we operate. The gospel is the statement, Romans is the explanation, and the letters are the application.

The truth is COBU is led by your spirit Mr Traill, and not by the spirit of the Lord Jesus. Jesus was banned from your house a long time ago.

Stewart: Yeah ya come from grace in interpreting the New Testament, something I never did, try to interpret the New Testament.

That is something that you never will do either.

Stewart: Now that I mention it, now I'm being double cautious now, but uh, the olive tree has something to do with grace. Whether it is Jesus...ah...grace working through Jesus, we are the branches, there's some connection in some way. We're gonna have to look for that. All that you do, do out of thankfulness that He has called you, justified you, supplied you with faith, and that you are His chosen, if you see these things are true in you. That is, "has He called you?" "has He justified you and given you faith? ((murmuring)) That right there is is proof that we are the elect then. We have to go into various ones of these and find them all so that we have confidence, real confidence and no false confidence. yeah Faith in His promise and it doesn't even mention grace.

Elephant sweat, giraffe snot, and crocodile tears, is what Stewart Traill is dishing out. I guess he was glad when this charade had finally come to an end

Stewart: By grace, His making a way and His decision, those are grace, ahh parts of what grace is. What is grace? That's a hard one. We have some uh..dictionaries here, we could go into. Is it more correct to say "relying on God's grace" then "relying on God?" or vice versa? We have to find out. How do you rely on Him except for His gift basis. Now grace something like a gift basis. Some connection, some way. While I'm on it. I still can't believe I walked in here and I actually even spelled it out I actually pushed it and said, "Is it wrong to rely on faith. Is it wrong to do it?" And you still went for it. Even with the "Is it wrong to..." right?(yeah) Think about that? I mean that's a red flag isn't it?(yes....nobody wagged) is it wrong to rely on faith? just think about that. Now uh,(unclear) the heart of the grace issue is the very fact that it's not by grace we're saved it's through grace. That one word makes a huge difference. We watch for that. You'll never see saved by faith in the Bible. We have them all written out here, all the combinations and words, how many. Saved by faith(huh) in bold letters twice. Relying on Jesus means relying on His grace a lot. There is no relying on Jesus without His grace. It isn't really relying on Him. Maybe good intentions and He's merciful.

Stew, asks the question is it wrong to rely on faith? No. It is never wrong to rely on faith in Christ. Without faith, it is impossible to please God. You do not have because you do not ask. The Lord gives more grace to the humble. Stew asks the question what is grace? and he says that it's a hard one. No that is not true. Its hard for him because he does not have grace in his heart. The sad ending to all of this is that Stew is not going to get it either. Stewart and his house have no faith and no grace in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Stewart: But it's wrong but He supplies more grace. If you were blind you would have no guilt. Well, we've been blind to His grace. That doesn't stop Him from supplying all the more though. (thank you Jesus) So learn a lesson. The order(clearing throat) the order saved by His grace, led by His Spirit, walking by faith. Those are the 3 that are necessary. They have to be rightly related and operating accordingly in our lives and in our church. Certainly among the older ones. Now the younger ones, well...the next lamb that you find...and another thing..this expression "leading someone to Jesus" is there any validity in that expression? Is that total...uh....we have to consider that. Another thing eh...Gayle has been watching me (clearing throat) Last few days uh

What lesson do you want them to learn? There is no more you can teach them for they are steeped in your vile filth and corruption. I hope you are happy about the spider's web that you have weaved. You are making the people dizzy who read this camel snot that is filled with deceit, arrogance and pride, that their heads are spinning.

Stewart: speaking to unsaved about God's grace and the reaction, amazing reaction that that causes, it's very good at least uh what ai, what I have seen that's a slight matter we have to get into. Everyone of these especially to older people. Again, the younger people uh with 18 year olds, what did we used to say? (unclear) doesn't matter. God's grace, witnessing, making Jesus known to older people such as your parents.(yeah) now Here's a comment, "Righteousness comma Justified comma and Faith in the same verse or next to it in every case in Romans. Almost every case in Romans. That pattern, Righteousness, Justification, and Faith. Not surprising but uh we're going to look closely at it. Grace is given to us, in many verses, it's received by us, also in many verses. Faith increases but it's a measure assigned in the first place. That everyone who has faith maybe justified. Remember, everyone who has faith not every

The false church of untended hearts is filled with many foul things that caused many a soul to be caught in Stew's spiders web.

Stewart: And is it true, ah I think it is true that grace grace meets with faith only in the elect.

He who missed grace for 25 years is now the true authority on grace. HOLD ON STEWIE'S GOT MORE PRIZES

Stewart: Grace meets with faith. That's one of the tests therefore. Is faith at work in your life and is grace at work in your life. We react with thankfulness. That's our response. The Old Testament version is "Because you did not serve the Lord with joy and gladness by reason of the abundance of all good things"... it's physical in the Old but spiritual in the new. But we react with thankfulness. Not because he gave us a new (unclear) but uh, out of thankfulness that uh we indeed are saved, are His. To him who has will more be given. To him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. The uh other verse, the other thing being "To him has election, will more grace be given and to him who has not the election, even what he has will be taken away. Now there's some correspondence there. analogy. God intends to save the elect. He intends to save the elect no matter what."Of those whom thou gavest me not one is lost but the son of perdition." Remember the elect react with thankfulness and the others take advantage. We have to get into that a lot. However much grace the elect need...it's 25 years of not valuing his grace or whatever...Time of grace, time of need, whatever it is He supplies it. My grace is sufficient, is what He said.

This is more babel that is incoherent speech or Stew speak. More of the same putrid hot spit and monkey vomit from he who thought that he could interpret the bible. More craziness from he who thought he could teach the word. When in truth he was a fraud, a failure and a flunky. The bible is on your tongue but, His word is not on you heart.

Now here's another one. Is this actually the the deeper view of salvation or is this the only right one that that we must give the lambs? Or how much of each? That is the unsaved 18 year old. How much grace? gotta consider that. Tell em the truth, of course, tell them the truth. How much of it though? How soon? and uh Can only speak one word at a time, present so much at a time. How do know what the balance is there? That's one of the ones we gotta find out. You know uh, you say 137, we used to have bible studies, yeah, for 3 years straight, every night, it was John chapter 3. For three years straight, every night, or was it 5 years straight. At least 3 years straight. Well, that's good and bad. Well, for what it's worth, "by faith" is 35 times in the Bible, 19 of which are in Hebrews 11. "Through faith" is 22 times and we have the rest written out here. How about the basis of genuine confidence? Any ideas about it?

You my former mentor speak of that which you do not know, and you are teaching that which you do not understand, and you do not bare witness to the truth of who you really are. 25 years later and you do not know the fundamentals of faith nor the salvation message of Christ. What a big disgrace you are. You have played the great man and had no bread. You love the seat of honor and have no honor.

Pro 12:9 Better is a man of humble standing who works for himself than one who plays the great man but lacks bread.

Paul: It is finished.

What is finished? What is Paul talking about here?

Stewart: How bout we know that we are in Christ because we know if we're fully going to Him, all that we are both good and bad, both, as with no kind of holding out, bad attitudes and we know he won't cast us out because that's his promise. therefore that we abide in Him. That's the source of confidence. That's the first source right there. Now, joy that we are the elect, how does that sound?((murmuring.. yeah good) that we are realize we are His chosen, that we have solid reason to say so. That's uh, that's where joy comes from. Now when they went out, He sent them out two by two. And they were out, casting out demons and they came back..."Lord, even the demons are subject to us." And Jesus uh as you know, He said uh, "Don't rejoice at that but rather that your names are written in the Book of Life."(yeah) What does that show?(voices....Jesus is in control, doesn't depend upon my will or exertion)) one at a time.

You just love making things up as you go along. In other words, you love pulling junk out of your backside. Stew you are hurting others and yourself as well.More of the same junk, that is horse snot.

Brother: I think it shows that He doesn't want us just to be thankful and rejoicing for the things He does through us and for us but that He added grace, He has grace toward us, He has , you know, He fills us for having Jesus in us, that's what he really wants us to be thankful for.

Stewart: First there was a hundred at once and now there's one only. What the matter the 99 are ashamed of what they said or what?

This sounds like hot spit and monkey vomit, and adders eggs. It turns out that you can't teach the bible either. You are nothing but an evil and violent screw up who never knew the basic tenements of faith.

Ps 50:9 I will accept no bull from your house,......

Brother: I think that, it's nothing that we do.

Stewart: Why do He say that?

Brother: Because Jesus, because God said, He reached man not man reached to God.

Stewart: Why'd He say that?

Brother: I think it's because it's that they're the elect, not what God has given him but that there the elect, they're going to heaven.

Stewart: Next

Brother: out of motivation, to being thankful.

Brother: so we wouldn't be motivated by going out just to see, that they ah have more power than these people, that was the wrong attitude...that they would be that they were glad that they were saved by grace?

Brother: That, don't get into the wine they get right now but get more into the hope of going to be in heaven, get more fully into that

Brother: That it's by grace that they're names were written in the book of life rather than that they were casting out demons.

Brother: Take, Take encouragement from seeing Jesus do things in our life, but it should just be ah rejoicing that that's a sign we are His elect.

Stewart: Listen, He also said that "many will say that' did we not cast out demons' and He will say, 'I never knew you' ((yeah)). What's the point?

This verse sounds like COBU and Stewart Tanner Traill. Lord look at how many got saved praise God. Lord what about all of the witnessing that we did, doesn't that count for something? He will say I do not know you. Who are you? I never knew you. Depart from me you workers of evil.

Brother: That the basis isn't the amount of work that Jesus was doing through them but that the basis was through grace. The basis is their right relationship with Jesus be of grace and not works.

Brother: well not that they were something of themselves but that He chose them(agreement)

Brother: that's right, that He chose, He chose them you know by His grace

Stewart: But where's the connection?

Brother: I was thinking that they're not saved through their works but they're saved by His grace and that they should be doing from that and that they should take confidence in that they're also saved and that they're with Him and that they don't have to turn.

Brother: you were chosen by God?

Brother: if We're, we're thankful that and rejoicing that Jesus did give us salvation then we'll be motivated from that rather than looking to any works

Brother: So we hope in Jesus and the resurrection instead of looking to doing it here the piety act.

Stewart: Well, it's really rejoice in the proof of who you are that you are. right? They were rejoicing at the results, right?(yeah yeah)sound familiar?(yes)Rather than what what res uh zuh what it proves about them. And He directed them to what it proves about them.

Nothing ventured nothing gained. At the end of the great day of missing grace, the brothers and sisters went away from this meeting mad and disappointed, for their leader admitted to nothing and he did nothing but fill the room with hot arrogant gas and double speak and COBU speak.

Stewart: what what res uh zuh what it proves about them. And He directed them to what it proves about them. Told them to rejoice in that.(thank you Jesus) that faith is at work(yeah) and other things. Our view has to change and fairly dramatically. It's in the view of grace that you'll come to see that everything makes sense. And, a lot of Christian life is wrapped up in in living by faith that in fact God's grace has specifically been extended to me. It's not blind faith either. All works have to be the result of thankfulness for grace not trying to earn something. The result of thankfulness, the desire to please Him and the evidence of His promise at in me. Any questions? Let's hear it. How much of you is spent trying to fig.....the amount of faith that you have, concerned with the amount rather than rejoicing over the fact that you have it and what that proves (a lot) If you have faith in Him that proves that you've been justified by Him. You realize that? However it wouldn't mean anything if you weren't centered in grace. These things would mean nothing. Yes, here's what He was really saying, "Don't rejoice that you have faith to cast out demons, rather rejoice because the fact that you have faith which means that your names are written in the book of life. Therefore, don't rejoice if you can do some work by faith and then feel that you're saved because of these works. Rather rejoice that the works complete the faith that justified you in the first place, that proves who you are. It's the fact that we have faith that is the good news because that's the proof that we are His. one of them. And there's no more need to try to convince Jesus to save you. it's the... trying to convince Jesus to save them rather than noticing that that He has saved them. (right). Both in His word and in your life.

Why don't you tell your parishioners what and who you really are? You don't believe this junk yourself, and your sheep don't either. You don't have any grace, and they don't as well. The deceived and the deceiver are his.

Job 12:16 With him are strength and wisdom; the deceived and the deceiver are his.

You have caused your people to trust in a lie. For, this is not the Jesus of the bible you are preaching. Jesus Christ is a hard act to follow. You Mr Traill missed him for 25 years. What you have sewn, you have also reaped. He or she who conceal their transgressions will not prosper.

Pro 28:13 He who conceals his transgressions will not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy.
Gal 6:7 Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption; but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

Stewart : Then again, there's the score card issue. Now how's the score card going? ah 263 by the way, 37 more, thank you Jesus (thank you Jesus)another score card(laughing) 300 now, gotta open the doors now. Look at this, looks huge in there. Look at that. Thank you Jesus. How's the score card going?(not so good, murmuring) all right (better) now you score card people, let me ask you this. ah How do you tell the difference, what is your means in your score card for telling the difference between a big sin and a little sin? What have you decided, since you've obviously decided something? How do you go about it? hold on, You started it. I mean, You must have some way of doing it, how do you, how do you decide? What is a big sin and what is a little sin? Or uh little sins don't make it on the score card is that it?(no) (((end of tape)))

What are you talking about? This is all Pseudo psycho babel, that makes no sense to you or your hearers. You did not let your slaves go free and you don't have any intentions on freeing them. You should be ashamed of yourself, but all you did that day is store up more wrath for your own head. Do you not have any fear of God in your heart? Does he not see what you are doing? Does he not hear what you are saying? Does He who made you keep watch over your soul? The Lord will by no means clear the guilty.

It is an amazing work of God to point out all of the dark deep and dirty evils that Stewart Tanner Traill has hid from us over all these years. The grace meeting was not an amazing work of God, but it was a gross exhibition of faithlessness, ruthlessness, and heartlessness. You did not allow the brothers and sisters to freely speak their minds and hearts of how they really felt.

The grace meeting had nothing to do with grace. How can you give to your flock that which is not in your hand or your heart? You had missed the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ for over 25 years and suddenly you show up and tell the people that you now have it. Excuse me sir I don't think so. It was monkey spit, camel dung, and elephant snot. Should we be proud of you that you claim that you missed grace and now suddenly you don't even know what it means to be a church? You must have fallen out of a tree and hit you head really hard, in thinking that we are supposed to take you seriously about your I missed grace for 25 years but I am ready to teach you grace. That is not possible. You don't know what it means for one to be born again. You also floated that you don't know when one gets saved or how one is saved. This is utter madness coming from the great bible teacher. Your greatest legacy is that you missed grace for over 25 years and taught madness and folly.

Every word that came out of your mouth that day was a big fat lie from the pit of hell. You were doing that day what you always did. It was all about you, and no other heart matters but mine. You have led us astray and you know it, and the Lord Jesus also knows it. You shall be ashamed of the oaks that you have delighted in. He who dig a pit will himself fall into it.

Ps 7:15 He makes a pit, digging it out, and falls into the hole which he has made.

Pro 26:27 He who digs a pit will fall into it, and a stone will come back upon him who starts it rolling.

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