John's Take on Grace Meeting


ďAll were baptized into Stewart Traill. In every sense of the word: his teaching, his concepts, his view on life, his skepticism of other Christians. Go and learn what this meansĒ.

Blessed is he and blessed is she who is able to get free from the grip of Stewart Traill and the Church of Bible Understanding, and those who are able to overcome his lies and curses will have a great reward.


Commentary by John Branzell in red type.

Enter with me into the twilight zone (a.k.a. The Nut-house) where we find a grown man, Stewart T. Trail in charge. I will call him Mr Confident Arrogance, and he is pushing his own way with implications and manipulations that the weak do not recognize. In this case his audience includes teenagers and adults alike. Adults who should know better but have surrendered to this pretender because it seems easier than living a responsible life.

Stewart: By Grace you are saved never by faith grace You've heard it how often? You were in fact, as Gayle pointed out, kept in restraint. You were kept under tutors until this day. There is also, in no way to excuse my ...error...There is also an amazing working of God in all this it's, not to excuse at all...not to excuse me at all.....That's one weíll have to get into. Job, behold you have instructed many and now it has come to you. Nevertheless if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed...

Mr Confident Arrogance compares himself to an old Testament legend, Job. Job was famous for losing all his possessions and then debating endlessly with other wise men. Job in all his wisdom and debating with other wise men still managed to miss God's perfect will by the smallest of smidgens. Well, bless your little heart Stew, you tried your darndest, you worked really hard; you had the best of intentions by all your assertions at least, and you barely missed the perfect will of God. So the stage has been set, the implication is that Mr Confident Arrogance has done his best but missed God's perfect plan. He further asserts an "amazing work of God" in the midst of his obscenely arrogant ignorance.

Stewart: A child as long as he is a child is no better than a slave...he is under tutors until the day the father better be glad you were..and there is this better be glad you were...the alternative is worse..appalling as this is... If I hadn't grabbed you ...what then?

Mr Confident Arrogance goes on because he knows that no one will challenge his slippery implications. "If I hadn't grabbed you ......". Let us examine this. This clown wasn't even in town when Jesus drew me into a salvation decision and I prayed. Is he a blowfish or a clown fish? He indulges this habit of tooting his own horn in a continuously confident and arrogant manner. He doesn't even know when to stop. Is he always in the blowfish mode. In other words is he always telling and implying how superior he is, so others would not dare challenge him. As they say, the best defense is an offensive, confident and arrogant offense. Is it really in his best interest to take credit for what the Almighty God and no one else can do? This guy has all of the credibility of Penn Stateís own Jerry Sandusky when he asks, ď... if I hadnít grabbed you, what then?Ē

Stewart : Yet as I said all along..but my spirit didn't mean it's not me doing it's God doing it...and it was

Okay so let us put Stew in the courtroom, as he enjoyed judging and passing judgment on others. Excuse me judge sir, I would like to speak in defense of my spirit. My spirit didn't mean it and furthermore I would like to pin this on God; yes that's right he was doing it all along. This was clearly a Christmas miracle!! The Great & Terrible STEW must be respected; he is confident, he is arrogant. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Better yet, pay no attention to the words of Mr. Confident Arrogance because they mean absolutely nothing. His words are meant to deceive and destroy. If his lips are moving his intention is to deceive.

Stewart: You've all been reading Romans a lot latelyÖ you've all been reading Romans a lot...and could not notice this?

He doesn't much care if anyone has been reading the Bible, the funny papers or anything else for that matter. He would like however to share the blame for his uh, uncategorized ....ĒerrorĒ. Maybe we should have noticed that the teacher was a fraud.

Stewart: well, it is clear that God has decided that it is time for you to transfer your allegiance, if that's the word, from my spirit to His Spirit... there are deeply ingrained ideas and feelings running wild in our fellowship, many of them directly or indirectly can be traced back to my error. Everything has to be re-examined. And this is a good time to do it...What has happened is this..this is another set of..some sort of ah ah...some sort of tying my error to your problem....and do you think I'm doing Gayle?....

Everything has to be re-examined. As a matter of fact I'll do the re-examination says Mr. Confident Arrogance and you guys just keep at the work, and by all means keep sending your paychecks to the office for me. Yes let us re-examine everything except that I am still the heavy teacher and the undisputed leader of this snake-pit of lies which came into being for the sole purpose of benefiting me the pseudo religious snake charmer.

Gayle: I'm not really sure...

Stewart: in speaking anyways...

Back me up here Gaylee girl; I'm thinking I need a little street cred, here. Whoa!!! The dynamic duo, the married couple to be envied above all others, the most blessed of all unions.....well, well they don't seem to be in the same book, or even chapter, much less on the same page. Maybe you had to be there to feel the tension?? What is REALLY going on here?

Stewart: I have been unable to speak almost right Gayle? It is again only His grace that I am even physically able to speak right now.. that is coherent...I have been a help in many ways..but have torn down in others...we have come to depend on faith instead of faith....the stress is subtle yes... up to you and your that the idea that you have?...Somehow I cheerily bounded off with that idea...and the brothers couldn't keep up with in His love but it's up to you...somehow...these are absurditiesÖ

This is the big word, the IN word: GRACE. Fifty points every time the faker says it, and he makes the rules and keeps score. Unable to speak, frog in his throat, laryngitis, severe strep throat, broken can only hope but it wasnít to be; not on this day.

Stewart: Why did God allow this? You think it must be because of wrong in me... this illness is not unto is for the glory of God... yer saying that kind of thing? Unless...then there's me can this be?

Monologue of Madness-When Mr. Over Confident Arrogance launches into his never ending Monologue of Madness, he not only speaks for himself but he also magically, speaks for what others are thinking and tells exactly what is in their untended hearts. Somehow we fell through a trapdoor into this "COBU Wonderland". There she is Alice or Gayle but something is wrong in COBU Wonderland. Gayle is very quiet and not answering the Mad Haters questions. The Mad Hater just keeps spewing his verbal manure all around. This distribution of filth, will be fertilizer for more evil to come. God the Father has nothing to do with your filthy deeds Mr Confident Arrogance.

Stewart: Furthermore....Furthermore.. let us let us erase this whole meeting now...this has never happened....even so I would not again..forget the wrong... but I was not rightly strengthening the brothers... you don't think so? see you say, oh you've been so much help....... go ahead say yet remains it's not true...I haven't been...what then?..

Let us micro-analyze this and go round & round so that it will be impossible to see who started this evil. You are getting sleepy; very very sleepy, your eyelids have 10lb weights pulling them down.

Stewart: Jesus told the parable...there was a rich man...with a trunk put all kinds of money in...and the woman put one penny what's the point? I could cheerily keep going this way I could..I could cheerily keep going..but in effect I was just saying to the brothers..what it comes down to whether I thought I was doing what it comes down to is saying's up to gotta be faithful and so forth. So where is strengthening the brothers the real way? It isn't.

Come and listen to a story bout a man named Stew, poor vacuum man who fleeced the lambs and flew. ďthere was a rich man...with a trunk put all kinds of money inĒ. Stewart has gone and found himself in the Bible again. Mr. Confident Arrogance is the rich man, off the labors of his followers.

Stewart: Strengthening the brothers in faith that you are his chosen..first and foremost...and I am not my shame. building up on the one hand and tearing down with the other..bull in a china shop..I hear my friend back there....

Mr Confident Arrogance was tearing down with both hands, both feet and his man parts too. You were more like Godzilla in the Bible department of the local WalMart.

Stewart: it really has been...and I want you to know something else...are you listening? you must understand to believe again...this is nothing...there is a real way in which I have been as or more a victim than you think of didn't waste 25 years...and had he not rescued me as he rescued you a short while ago... I wonder what would have become of was that bad. Getting that bad.

The Monologue of Madness marches on- "there is a real way in which I have been as or more a victim than you" So if you call yourself a victim maybe then someone will feel sorry for you?? God is responsible for this mess? Mr Confident Arrogance was just a pawn like you guys, except that of course he needs many bank accounts to keep all your money in.

Stewart: ..this has been a stumbling block for all of us including me...poison talk... God gives you what you need to get started and then it's up to you my easily everyone is returning easily. Why is it so easy? They are returning so easy. Because He's doing it. And all this error...he is overlooking as it were and bringing us back... but enough is enough.

Mad Haters Monologue of Madness-God is overlooking all my error so that we can all continue in this "COBU Wonderland" which is more like a nightmare for you; but I'm okay with that.

Stewart : Putting to death can do this part over here myself. I can see that working in me. That's what the brothers...and I would forever teach about Samson...and I am the most...and I'm not a hypocrite, I'm not a understand this? ... you don't get that? How many of you don't? He doesn't. How many don't understand that? Gayle how bout you defend me.

Forever teach about Samson? Hmm? He must be talking about his deception. He taught us by example, being deceptive just like Samson. He was a skirt chaser like Samson. But ol' Stew got the cash flow part of the business plan rolling much better than Samson ever would have had the nerve to do.

Stewart: while I just....I did it in ignorance

"My spirit didn't mean it and I did it in ignorance." Okay which was it ignorance or good intentioned incompetence on behalf of your spirit. Hold on, hold on now. I think I understand now; your spirit didn't mean it but you did. You were "fully there" for the tribe of Benjamin's to be collected, the cash money type of Benjamin's.

Gayle: Yeah the way he was doing it himselfÖ

Stewart: a hypocrite knows he was...

Therefore Stew was an unconsciously incompetent, hypocrite as opposed to a consciously incompetent hypocrite, cause he didn't know he was one.

Gayle: Nobody was telling him............Look, yer doing it this way..and there was nobody telling him....

The Gaylester decides to step in for her knight in shining armor and evidently some other sisters are emboldened to contribute their opinions too.

Sister 1: Nobody tried telling Stewart before? I just find it hard to believe

What is this? A voice in the wilderness. A high pitched voice of descent? Is it someone boldly speaking their mind? How long will the bearded dictator stand for this?

Stewart: Let's hear it.

Sister 1: I don't want to be judgmentalÖ

Stewart: yeah Let's hear it

Sister 1: I find it hard to believe ..So many brothers talked about it...I was always under the impression that they wrote you letters and tried to tell you, I mean that's what I always heard...and I don't even know the whole truth, but David Wilkerson told brothers and sisters that he tried to talk to you and that you wouldn't listen to him, I don't want to be judgmental, I know I have a lot of faults too..I just think you had to have some pushed everybody away and made it so hard for everyone to talk to you.

Pay attention ladies and gentlemen; this is both the most real part of the meeting and also the end of any reality. From this point on you will be exposed to the Monologue of the Mad Hater. He will not answer the question of whether or not he did indeed, ďhave some clueĒ. He will ask his own questions and say, ďNextĒ in order to give an illusion of participation but he is in firm control as always. Be armed with machete and shovel for the jungle of lies and piles of manure. Many a good man has been lost in this wilderness of cheap words and vague implications.

Stewart: And you're glad I did too, aren't you?

POW!!! BANG!!! SMACK DOWN!!! One question to rule them all. One question to disqualify the one who dared to question the great & marvelous one. One bazooka shot to take out ďthe contentious oneĒ or anyone who would dare to question the ďgreat & Terrible OzĒ. One shame and blame inducing, guilt provoking question and Mr Confident Arrogance rules again among the silence. He is way too Confident & Arrogant to get any more trouble from this gang.

Sister 1: yeah but I..

The bold voice has been reduced to a whimper with one well aimed bazooka shot of guilt & shame. One fiery shot of his trusty Blame-Thrower. This man has unparalleled blame shifting skills, and here he shows them off.

Stewart: Listen, Let's start said, A lot of brothers and sisters think about this.. No they don't. They never never never thought that this was bad. No they never thought they thought there was something wrong of course Of Course there's something.. they didn't think anything of this. And neither did I. Now you say didn't anyone try to talk to me. Well friends like him. How you have helped me, and David Wilkerson...well I don't remember..this was 25 years ago? And if my old wine is this bad what must the new wine have been? I don't know what I was doing with him...I don't remember anyway. I don't know what I was trying to maybe as bad as him...I don't know.

The Monologue of Madness continues and the Mad Hater fabricates some convenient lies that he makes believe are the thoughts of these people of the church of untended hearts. Is'nt this convenient? He doesn't bother tending any hearts but he will tell you what he wants to be on your mind & heart.

Stewart: There is this also. Me and other Christians. You know that scripture Woe to him who is alone when he falls. Well I know that scripture, you don't.

Nanny-Nanny Boo Bah I know something you don't know. What a petty cult leader we chose to follow. If he "knows" this, it is because he chose it. He doesn't really know what we know because it is all about him.

Stewart: I know that now. You don't know what that means. Why am I alone? Why is it that there is no fellowship between me and other Christians? First of all, I gave up long ago. That was my sincere claim.

Implied meaning = I am better than those church christians; I gave up because of my obvious superiority. At least my superior arrogant confidence. ďMy sincere claimĒ. This guy is a megalomaniac. He is sincere in his serious thoughts of his own superiority.

Stewart: But why , what was the trouble in the first place? Perhaps it was..while insisting...perhaps they were trying to land me with I doubt I doubt it. But it may have been, that may have been the case. Perhaps someone did somewhere, had to have been way back. Perhaps someone did try. Perhaps someone noticed. I have no way of dealing with it. No memory noÖ I repeat what I said , I think if you showed this, they would murmur nice things instead of throw up. What do you think. Well try it Try whoever want to..

Very convenient loss of remembrance. Does anybody arrogantly ramble like this loser rambles.

Brother 1: I did show somebody and they thought it was wonderful.

Stewart: I am afraid that's what would happen...I am afraid that's what would happen But you know , but you know it isn't right to do really. Because then it is to their shame. Yer just sticking pins in em. And even if you then try to argue and correct them as I might have done 20, 25 years ago tried to do...for an argument , to learn, some such thing....Let's hear some more what you find hard to believe..cuz I do too.

I was blind-sided just like you; I'm just an ignorant cuss when it comes to grace.

Sister 2: I find it hard to I often...and we all so often say, By the Grace of God ....and hearing you speak to us...I now see how those words were empty.

Stewart: that's right

Sister 2: I wasn't conscious of what I was really saying, just what I was taught.

This female is lining up for the ďpuppet of the monthĒ vote.

Stewart: And who is the emptiest of was devoid, I was unconscious of grace. I really wonder if some of you were more aware of grace than I. I really think so because it's zero with me.

Sister 3 : I remember too

Stewart: There might as well not been the word in the bible. You never heard me say 2 words. Did you ever discuss grace, anyone of you? Wait a minute, wait a minute, she's first anyway, wait a minute, listen , did any of you, just raise your hand, did any of you discuss grace a year ago and more with anybody? Well then yer way ahead of me ... way ahead right there. Because, to you , the word existed and that's way ahead of me.

The Wisest One, Mr Confident Arrogance, The Mad Hater was challenged in his vocabulary. Just a big ol' vocabulary mistake. Vanna can you help this guy out; he wants to buy a vowel, no he wants to purchase some cheap, fake grace and smear it all over these stupid sheeple in his untended flock. Who could have known? His spirit didn't mean it. He did it in ignorance. Blah, Blah, Blah

Sister 3: I remember about 10 years the sisters and brothers in New York found some Brother Monbleau ..Wayne Monbleau..and his whole teaching was based on grace..the grace of God..and they would all talk about the grace of God and everybody there, everybody in New York would like mock them and put them down and ..I really don't know.... that's what I remember

Bobby Whipple: I just heard him on the radio on the way here , I don't know, some of the things he says...

Stewart: And?

Bobby:: He does speak of the grace of God

Stewart: you know something else even more appalling? All these subjects, many of the subjects dealing with God's grace are in fact fairly accurately dealt with here, everything around grace, but grace doesn't exist...that's, that's more amazing God's love is in here all over and relying on see God was eh ..heh..I guess ah..I guess they are all running out's getting too boring...apparently

Not boring Stewie; but we are getting a little tired of looking at the big snot bubble hanging from your nostril and pretending that you are not full of bull excrement. You are a fool for pretending you can teach of deep things and we are loony for spending a nano-second listening to you. We are leaving because we are not brave enough to tell you to go look in the mirror.

Stewart: ListenÖ

The Snot faced brat is demanding that we listen, as all snot faced brats do, at some point.

Stewart: God was revealing to me over some time when I said ya know back Jan 1 when I said He was restoring me too, I didn't know the tenth of it, I didn't know the tenth of it. Nevertheless um Gayle has been reading the bible studies recently, all the bible studies and see how it's working towards grace and the subjects around it.... hard to even say...I don't know what the sessions are...I knew I didn't know what they were...God was bringing us to the real basis. I was selling righteousness comes from's through faith, not from or by.

Mumbo jumbo. Mr. Confident Arrogance says, we should take him at his word and believe that God is restoring him. Take the tenth of the square root of the grace that I missed and multiply that by my misadventures in the dark room, and what do you have? I pretty much "screwed up" your life for good.

Victor Trapani: I have a question, When I was younger in Jesus I would meet a lot of other Christians and I would hear them talk about this exact thing about the grace of God, and even though they would tell me about it I would say I understood it, it never really clicked until 2 months ago, so I think it was Jesus Himself revealing it to me personally at the time when He chose to.

Stewart: All right whenever you say that that you also have to come back to the other side, itís also my spirit pushing it out of you and saying donít listen to that (yeah..yes) How much of that was it too?(yeah yes) You know there are ways ..different ways to look at it. I was selling righteousness comes from's through faith, not from or by.

So, in his own words he admits he was trying to sell us something.

Brother 2: I remember I used to read a lot of Charles Spurgeon and heíd talk about grace, and I would just think well itís 100 years later Jesus has showed us more now

Stewart: uuugh

Brother 3:I think he must be in error...ya know thatís what I would thatís what I would think ...somehow ..I would really wonder about what you would say about what he said there

Stewart: How much is it I could clamor and I could gallop and skip along in my merry way and the brothers couldnít keep up with me. It was my merry way..that is in what I was doing wrong...donít forget also..Jesus used me a lot (yes...sure) in spite but it was in spite ....and if that isnít His grace..according to the bible what is?

"Hey don't forget, Jesus used me a lot and the brothers couldn't keep up with me." Perhaps the brothers didn't want to, ďkeep up with youĒ or be like you or be like Walt Chamberlain for that matter. But as much as we don't like to be like the parents that we sometimes hated, we bought your poison and fully ingested your lies becoming like you; a whole lot like you.

Stewart: His kindness ya know.. His grace was extended to us while we were enemies...Now, we must really get into grace

Mr. Confident Arrogance says, Tell you what I'm gonna do.... Such a deal I have for you... Okay, so I missed grace and I wouldn't know grace if she kicked me in the backside, but let me lead you into this deep knowledge of grace according to me, The Original Snot faced Brat. Do ya feel lucky?

Stewart: I mean really....try this saying...There is something to this...Now Grace, Faith and spirit, small s, these three abide, but the greatest of these is grace....small s....small S eh..weíll have to get into that. Wine is treacherous....Now hereís what happens...Letís take those three...Grace, Faith, and spirit...thereís a lot of, are you paying attention... Thereís a lot of churches overboard on spirit matters. You now know of a church overboard on faith...there are in fact apparently, recently I have been inquiring, that there are some overboard on grace, to the extent that they to the extent that they claim to do away with baptism. you know you can be lopsided any way? Nevertheless those 3 exist.... Grace , faith and spirit..all of them are important. And they have to be in the right balance. And they certainly havenít been here...and therefore I have no idea, I have no idea in the light of the truth I have no idea about other churches, you know I have to say that...I have no idea...because anyway I would have looked at them, would have been in error. Follow? spirit had better not be the basis, because itís just an anything goes..Faith canít be the basis because then itís hard work. Grace is the basis. Itís not on the basis of works but of grace. Grace must be the basis.

Semantic Merry-Go-Round. Mr. Confident Arrogance says, I'm making you dizzy, your world is spinning. I am the puppet man. Are you having fun dangling from my sticky strings.

Stewart: Anyways....Romans 10 ...a zeal for God but it is not enlightened. speaking of the Jews....I have heard it said .... Am I some sort of Old Testament character....maybe thereís something to that...being ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God and seeking to establish their had to be true of some extent...partly the problem ignorance, non-enlightened Samaritan doing both at once....I began speaking about relying on Jesus...The big thing is that you have to remove the phony relying on faith before you could actually rely on Jesus...How much are you relying on Faith?

Maybe he is a blathering idiot or even worse a cunning mischievious, lieing fake. Stew, Stew baby, you can't get reliable hearsay from the town drunk. Who did you hear this hearsay from? The village idiot perhaps? You would not make it as an Old Testament village idiot. Ignorant, yes but more of a phony than ignorant. Remove the phony, you say. Yes, let us remove the phony.

Stewart: You see, in other words, hereís another explanation. In some sense or other I have a framework somehow,that I can keep going...does that make any sense?..That you donít have. I wasnít seeing grace, I have heard it said, Am I some sort of Old Testament character maybe thereís something to that... being ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God and seeking to establish their own....

"I have heard it said, Am I some sort of OT character". Master of implication. Implying that someone said this but Mr Confident Arrogance is asking himself. Ok, which "OT character" talked to himself while in a meeting of many others. This is Mr. Confident Arroganceís impersonation of a village idiot.

Stewart: Nevertheless I could include enough of it in some sort of pseudo-framework to ah..keep going..enough to ah seem it? How can you rely on Jesus with some sort of Itís up to me feeling? a double problem...yanking grace out of scripture...especially out of those three, Grace , faith and spirit...yank grace out....youíve done 2 things, 2 problems. First , youíve removing grace...what is left is changed...but itís also damaged. You canít yank something out of something without damaging what is's it's..there are two things...thereís a vacuum....and thereís damage. Do you follow? (yes)You can see that having happened. Why did I teach you to rely on Jesus with some sort of Itís up to me feeling? a double problem...

That's right Stew just say it, "pseudo-spirituality". You were faking it but you never made it. You are a failure. Fake teacher, fake fervency, fake spirituality, fake zeal. You served your own fake Jesus, in other words you never knew Jesus and he will say he never knew you.

Stewart: I yanked grace out of scripture...especially out of those three, Grace , faith and spirit..I.yanked grace out....Iíve done 2 things, 2 problems. First , Iíve removing grace...what is left is changed...but itís also damaged. I canít yank something out of something without damaging what is's it's..there are two things...thereís a vacuum....and thereís damage. Do you understand How I did this? You can see how I did this?

You yanked most of your so called good stuff out of your southern end. Sounds like something done consciously with forethought. You are describing what you did and how you did it, but, but, but you did it in ignorance right?

Stewart: That is, violence has been done to faith and spirit too and then....the actual wrong came in which is relying on the point I was are saved by faith, by the way thatís in the summary....itís both. Twice, we are saved by faith, donít you people ever check your bible?

Violence you say! By whom? When was this crime committed? Where did this violence occur? Give us the name sir of this rapscallion or are you "the man". If you are the man then I understand well why you are so vague with your implications. This was after all a "work of God" and he timidly admitted to some kind of vague "error" on his part but he seems to be saying here, you stupid sheeple have to belly up to take a little blame too.

Stewart: I wonder if you have more appreciation of the working of Godís grace among us now? Grace enough to overcome this sin. Where sin abounds , grace abounds all the more. Shall we therefore sin...God knows that I did it in ignorance...I didnít plan this...I assume that you all know that.

Hmm......"I did it in ignorance", but it was also a great work of God. Since when does God participate in someoneís ignorant bliss.

Stewart: What about another he said.. without such a foundation..means that there is no framework, there is no sight of the framework....everything is sort of disconnected in a strange feeling kinda way, and every week it is a new direction and teaching and it isnít connected to the foundation, the basis which is grace....which is the way it must be.....minus grace ..all the good things are floating. And how do you ever tie them together? Well you couldnít but I quote could. In some sort of a running on automatic you start to get a picture?

Oh sure these confused teenagers and deluded adults are getting a crystal clear picture from The Great One. The Great Teacher speaks and the waters part, the clarity is palpable...NOT. Mr Confident Arrogance has confusion, chaos and mischief as his main purpose and objective in life. He speaks incomplete cult-talk sentences that make sense to no one, but always causes the mind-numbed COBOTS to nod their heads and say, ďPraise GodĒ.

Stewart: Thereís no confidence therefore...confidence is a Big it is come they never marry.?.....for that one alone I repent...for that one alone....Because you have to be like Stewart first....and the amazing marriage that He has given me...which is near per...not me.....Iím far from fact, Gayle is close to perfect...did you ever hear..I heard some of you people say Sheís not , sheís like not human.

But Mr Confident Arrogance has an abundant amount of confidence or is it a show, a performance like a snake oil salesman? Gayle can not afford to be human any more than any cult member. She has secrets and the shock and awe of Mr Confident Arrogance's behavior to hide; of course she is not acting like a human. Acting like a human leads to big trouble in this crazy nuthouse of a cult.

Stewart: that marriage itself is nothing but the grace of God. Nothing but. In fact she looked up and found, He who finds a wife, itís very close, by the way, grace , what is grace? weíll have to get into that...

Someone: undeserved ..undeserved mercy

Stewart: hold it hold it hold it, that is the stupidest thing there is, I say , with my fervent spirit, undeserved mercy...that is stupid to talk like that, because mercy is never mercy if it is youíre saying mercy is mercy when youíre saying Mercy is undeserved mercy.....fix your order for to be mercy otherwise grace would no longer be order to be mercy it canít be deservedÖ

Mr. Confident Arrogance always has complimentary words when speaking of himself. It was his ďfervent spiritĒ, that got us into this deception. He who missed grace and does not know the difference between grace and space; he who made this ďerrorĒ is now going to lecture the dim wits with his ďfervent spiritĒ. Put your ďfervent spiritĒ back in your pants you self absorbed primedona.

Stewart: ...or it isnít mercy...What is this stupid undeserved mercy...and that is what people say...Listen doesnít even make sense...just in words.....Oh maybe you do deserve some other kind of you? well..what is this? now think about it....You know I havenít lost my confidence is in Jesus...

Your incomplete cult leader sentences and cult speak don't make sense either. Your confidence is false. Your confidence is the stuff of fools. The confidence you employ is the confidence of a fool who does not believe in God.

Stewart: where it should have been all along but it wasnít ....and therefore I confidently will say that...what is this undeserved mercy? Get your head screwed on, No?

Stewart: Now think about it... Mercy is mercy is all yer donít get it? If eh rather eh Grace is mercy..yer saying Grace is mercy yer saying Grace equals mercy and it doesnít....They are two different things....Grace is something...and it is certainly undeserved as all mercy is..or it wouldnít be was I saying before about that...oh yeah, he who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor, now grace is close to favor...close...itís not...but that's approach..thatís one of the words that are around grace...that youíve found favor...that He has extended his grace ..although the grace of God and the grace of Jesus Christ too,by the way, two different things....we gotta get into this.

There is something about these two words, ďundeserved mercyĒ that really rub ole Stew the wrong way. Similar to kryptonite and Superman.

Stewart: ...see somehow I got saved....And I still think I got saved...I still think I got saved.

He thinks he got saved, not so sure about the rest of us. But he knows for sure that he can save others from their hard earned money by taking it from them in the name of Christianity.

Stewart: Did I get saved two weeks ago? Well, I think I have to say, I got saved 25 years ago...I think... but thatís another matter...I got saved or whatever....and right away...right away...ahh....again you know, ..thereís another thing. I bought a bill of goods in a way ....because what does everybody get saved....and then you go to church...and thatís about it....anyway..ahh..something like that..I got saved and I lost interest in ..that's ..I donít remember doing it , Iím saying...I must have something like lost interest in was no longer well itís over..I mean ah...and I must have been acting something like that...perhaps having bought that picked that up..who knows..anyway...thatís that area...well all right itís no longer now Iíll get in the Old Testament now Iíll start interpreting...and thatís what was a the process since....and uh got into interpreting this and interpreting that and and Matthew 24....meanwhile the most important teaching of all, salvation, and the most important part of the most important teaching was nowhere. And nobody noticed. Now, in a nutshell, thatís a process sense...dya follow? ...thatís partly what happenedÖ thought studying Matthew 24 would do that...over the years many secretly dreaded it because fear I could lose my salvation, with such an extreme testing , will I make it?'s up to me and you know itís the brothers ...again...that may ..that particular one maybe even worse with the sisters...perhaps...there feeling reaction to it might be worse...but ya know itís still the brothers...If ..if our life is based on works...that faith becomes works somehow...thatís just it ..That's more telling on the brothers...and itís the brothers therefore that um...thatís why I have been speaking of the brothers being set free...think itís true? Without grace youíre on a crossing your fingers basis. I asked a while ago Are you trying to talk Jesus into saving you? Remember... trying to convince him into saving you. goodness... Ya know the whole while, I never tried to take Jesus' no way and would always speaking against it...and yet thatís what the devil think about it...something like that in effect....Without grace the chain of how everything connects to Jesus is broken.

He never took Jesus' place. What a crazy denial. Did you hear someone say that you did? Why does he even bring this up? He didn't have to take Jesus' place because he was so effective at the shame game, and splattering of guilt, and pulling out the rug from those he did exalt. He is an expert at blocking access to Jesus. Okay so missing grace was done "in ignorance" by Stew and it was also "a work of God" and now it was something that the "devil arranged". Which one was it? Do all cult leaders come with an optional spine? What a jelly fish we have here.

Stewart: So all becomes mysterious..grace is meant to be the the uh framework, format....Iím saying salvation is a gift while under the counter you have to earn it by faith. Why donít the brothers marry, because they have no confidence. Why donít they have confidence, because of their impossible task....what do you think of that brothers?

Brother 4: Many of the ones that are married, their marriages aren't very good because of the same problem...

Stewart: Faith has become almost an end in itself ...howís that? of the translations calls it the instrument...the the way I wonder ..Gayle? y'know there are of course a lot of salvation tracts floating around pick em up right? Are they all the very same thing?...that Itís faith, faith, faith, that itís never grace?...huh? There is grace? ....well I picked one up..I saw one yesterday, it was zero grace....or a few days ago .there certainly must be grace....

Brother 5: isnít even the King James text...doesn't it say something the word it, donít they say... it is through grace you are saved by faith?

Stewart: Yeah..same thing..thatís Revised...same thing... say again...say again..I canít hear ya.

Brother 5:: I thought the kings James Version as I have seen it on those tracts. said. By Grace you have been saved through faith..the KJV

Stewart: It says by ..Iíll bet says by grace through faith..Faith is the lesser and Grace is the greater, doesnít matter what translation... thatíll come out...Grace is the basis... ..all the faith in the world...and if He doesnít extend His grace....Now..thatís jumping the gun... without grace as the basis...Be zealous to confirm your call and election becomes trying to convince Jesus to save you... because the fact that nobody is picking up on grace.. and you havenít been...You havenít been picking up on it... the fact that nobodyís been picking up on much as I have already gone into it...shows how deeply everyone is into Faith, itís up to me, etcetera...instilled in... think a thatÖ There is no receiving His grace with thanksgiving.... which is almost the basis of Christian life....Christian Life..thatís right...whereas grace...Does the word grace appear anywhere...just the word...let alone ...Iíll bet it doesnít.... Things we looked doesnítÖ We got a long way to go, people ..are you getting restless? Notice there is a lot of running out.. Itís 5:00 now....We can either keep going or take a break or break for supper...breakup 10min, go for a while why don't we take a vote, go till supper? Well...well...we could take a vote...remembering that for freedom Christ has set us free... whatís the rest though... Stand fast therefore and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. To a Yoke of..? To a yoke of salvation by faith quote works .... Are the brothers starting to realize how Jesus is starting to set all of us free? how many are only starting to? how many think they half understand it pretty much?...well... That's thatís getting there...Now letís vote...on the break or keep going....keep going such as...I mean I donít want to dwell on me..but aah...up to a point itís important...the way I have spirit.....what God is doing with Heís been leading me...and then finally ...the right view and balance thatís a big one..what is the right ..what is right ...then?... well starting that... and about grace... and other smaller things...or should we take a break?.... or should we take supper? ... now what is Godís will? ... you see when you sing amazing grace...doesnít really hit you huh? take a vote on it many say we break for supper now? how many say we take a 10 minute break?...How many say no break and no supper? Well itís pretty obvious that most want a break.... right? so everybody vote on a 10 minute break or a supper break(yeah) is supper ready?

Vinnie: Yeah ...if were gonna have a break I think it should be for supper,because if we go on to 7:00 its ahh it makes things..hard..the food will be getting messed up.

Stewart : okay you ready? how is that pure Vinnie and our fellowship? Well and actions are to be interpreted in terms of the nearest circumstance only and we must act on the basis of the closest circumstance....never raise up our eyes into the context of greater things....ahh now supper is pretty great thatís true but but, there maybe even greater things...pitiful little itís gonna get messed up...Take courage Vinnie Take courage see Iím strengthening the brothers. Take courage...

Vinnie: stupid thing I said...

Brother: Don't worry

Stewart: Listen ah..letís all vote on a 10 minute break or a supper break...Are we all ready? How many say a supper break now? well..and how many say a 10 minute break? well they lost. Well since itís everybody and I donít know a reason why to do otherwise..maybe a supper break..we can agree on that then what do you think? what do you think about this meeting? Never would have thought of it...

Denny Dennison: I always thought that we consciously as a fellowship never got into grace because of the potential to take advantage which I always saw in the other churches.

Stewart: Hey..thereís a huge potential to take advantage..but tough luck..that is the route we must go. cuz thatís the bible route...that is...yes there is a huge potential...weíll have to get into never would have thought this...itís a big surprise.

Brother 6: yeah ..we went to see a brothers last night in Brighton Beach.

Stewart: Canít hear a word yer mumbling...

Brother 6: okay We went to see some brothers in Brighton Beach last night and I remember saying ..Jesus Stewart Jesus has been saving him too.

Stewart: already did at least two weeks ago ...His grace is greater than my shame or my error, the next time youíre afraid to make a mistake...because youíre afraid to, in sincerity, do what really looks what really looks right, really really looks right...His grace if if ya are wrong His grace is greater anyway TWENTY FIVE YEARS OF ERROR? try to beat that 25 years of colossal error.

He might as well have said, But don't worry, you guys paid for this colossal error and then some. No skin off my nose...I'm good and ready to do this another 25 years. Stewart is good, he got saved (again?) ďalready did at least two weeks agoĒ and he is good to go. Stewart is all set for another 25 years of fleecing the lambs, taking advantage of stupid, gullible teenagers and taking their money etc. etc.

Brother 7: I read about...

Stewart: this is no little point... Sonya says I should expound on grace more..remember? Thatís the ans ah Taloola..youíre the one ..expound on grace more..he ha ..thatís the answer huh? MYYY...itís an awful lot more than that...this mortal sin...I thought that was a big deal..I made a mistake...I did...Ha I thought that I was... I bought a bill of goods. That was awful...but that wasnít even the tip of the iceberg...remember that? once in a lifetime bible study I called it..remember? Oh my goodness....It is very very hard... a month from now you try to picture somebody...actually being oblivious to grace...and is fervent in Jesus as I have been...and put that together...a month from now try and figure that out..impossible....which leads you to wonder...God purposely made me blind to it... so I am not responsible purposely made me blind to it..etc.. but ah....needs to understand when I said Iím glad itís that bad because itís proof ..itís my written evidence..what I already know in my spirit...that I didnít do it... I did it in ignorance...thereís the proof....itís not there.

How could Mr Confident Arrogance expound on grace? He is graceless and Jesus does not abide with him. The man can not even speak in a clear, cohesive complete sentence. He is a lost teacher and really no teacher at all. He promises gold and can only bring forth an ill wind. Hold it where is the proof? Where is the pudding? God made you blind to grace on purpose. For what purpose I ask? How have you changed now that you are not blind? When God took away the vision of persons in the bible there were evident reasons. What was the reason for your blindness Mr Confident Arrogance? What part did you play in this blindness?

Stewart: if it was half there messed up...that might make me Iím glad itís that bad...itís donít get it huh? ...a lot more to it...what do you think about this..(thank you Jesus...) later we will have to discuss your forgiveness of me or the lack of it...thats a subject.... now are we all ready to pray together?

Brother 7: itís gonna take a while to digest.

Brother 8: For me , it shows how much Jesus loves you fiercely.

Stewart: Boy ...that is my hope right is said He has become my salvation....that I dare trust him...what He has done for me...even through this.

Brother 9: Seems to me, like a beginning, a beginning of a better relationship with Jesus and with each other.

Hope springs eternal at the mad house of Bible Mis-understanding. The willing sycophants are lining up, with their ďAmensĒ & ďAtta boysĒ.

Stewart: based on the sufficiency of His grace.

Everything must now be seasoned with grace in order to make up for 25 years. Your lives have been wasted with deception but here just sprinkle on this magic fairy dust called grace and it will be okay. The next deception is always worse than the previous one. Let me have a hot dog with a side of grace please.

Lauren Albrecht: Iím not sure but I, I heard that the man that wrote or that Jesus gave the words to Amazing Grace, that he was a Christian for a long time and came to the realization that he was on the wrong basis..and that...

Stewart: really?

Lauren: God gave him the words that God marked him with Amazing Grace.

Brother 10: thereís a little more than that.

Stewart: is that right?

Poor Stew! It is no longer legal to be a slave trader & slave owner but in these modern times you have to go the extra mile and be a cult leader, fake and charlatan.

Brother 11: Actually...he was a seafarer.. and he dealt in slavery, he was a Christian and he backslid very grossly and he came back to God and the last part of his life, he was extremely faithful..and close to Jesus but he used to deal in slavery

Bobby Whipple: He was He was in a very serious He was in the Church of England, they thought he committed apostasy...they told him he was finished and ah...because of all the sins that he chose...serious sin he was into when he was in Africa

Big Bad Bobby knows his slaves and he knows his slaveholders. Mr Confident Arrogance is his favorite slave owner.

Brother 11: Drinking and slavery

Sounds a lot like COBU; Stew drinks whatever he wants and we are his slaves.

Bobby: then he uh called out to, he did call out to God and Jesus forgave him and thatís why he wrote the song, Amazing Grace.

Stewart: so you see know we gotta change everything,...He called out to God...he put his faith in Godís grace.

We got to change everything but in reality nothing will change; you will still be my willing slaves, and I will willingly take your cash.

Bobby: yeah

Stewart: and then called out to what yer saying And he knew that thatís what he was was doing then...same as me...Letís hear some more brothers and sisters.

See, see ď....same as meÖĒ There are so many famous zealous Christians in and out of the Bible that are just like me. Mr Confident Arrogance is all about himself, all about justifying his evil actions as something that has some semblance to normal living or accepted Christianity.

Brother 12 : I know when I was backsliden it seems ah, the times when I could see Grace most clearly in fact, ah pretty much the only times that I considered it was when I was the very most out of it..with the noose around my neck and the rope broke.

Brother 13: physically

Brother 12 : I considered his grace a lot more than I considered my faith at that point.

Stewart: that makes sense.

Brother 14: I saw God's grace when He made me trust him with 3 children....and I ...will continue.

Stewart: that's His mercy.

Brother 15: I think that God has let this happen this long....and what is His plan for us.

Bob Muller: It is his grace that brought us safe thus far.

Stewart: You don't have the view that Salvation is over and done with? Right kind of view of that... Otherwise Grace would no longer be graceÖNow, you must understand, I'm not a fraud. I'm not a phony. I'm not a Jim Jones as they say. I'm not a false teacher. What I am is a poor one. I said I was glad, glad, that it's this bad. Job said, Make me know how I have erred. He said, If only God would write the indictment, I'd be proud of it. Well, I didn't, He didn't have to write the indictment, I did. Furthermore, the way, I was reading a while ago that bad memory that I'm extremely having..I was reading that this is due to stress and what was the other one? stress and something like that. Job said, Make me know how I have erred. Also, Those who err in spirit will come to understanding. We'll have to get into, somehow it's my spirit, somehow I erred in spirit. before erring in words. But um, oh yes, I'm glad, I'm glad that it's that bad, trying to put in why, because it is written proof to my sanity that indeed I did it in ignorance. That is, I can see, had I had I tried to deceive, I wonder if I could have done it as well. I tried to remove grace this well, leave no traces, tried to make some weird thing, which I , even I can't say I did, when I see how well it is done. that uh..that's the reason that I have received mercy. right there. It is that I did it in ignorance. colossal eh colossal thing that is that sin abounds, grace abounds all the more. The subject to which I was oblivious for 25 years while getting more of it all the time. This subject, my error, was the subject of grace. We'll get into that later.

He doesnít know how, he ďerred in spiritĒ, but does he know when? What does he know? Anything? What does, ďerred in spiritĒ, even mean? Is this the slippery talk of a deceiver? Could it have been so bad that this then proves that he did it in ignorance? Does this make sense to anyone outside this nut house?

Stewart: The Language....but uh shows all the more that it's by His grace that He shows me, no one else did. Only He could have, I couldn't, I didn't. The fact that He showed me and at this point in time. You say breaking down, you don't know how badly I was breaking down. At this point in time when He's clearly uh rescuing us all, He rescued me. I mean rescued. I wonder if petering I wonder. I was petering out. I wonder if that word actually means, actually comes from Peter's problem which is my problem. partly.

Stewart : All these things, these ills, from the brothers at least, are made worse by me, everyone of them.

Brother: All of them?

Stewart: All these things, I think everything. Maybe everything. But certainly a lot and at least I've been making it worse. Well, His grace toward me. The fact that I, that I can exist... you know, you may not have thought of it yet, He could have rescued, He could have wiped me out and rescued the church very easily. He could've anyone. I was oblivious. I don't know how it could happen. But in fact, you knew it, I was oblivious to grace. It's one of the two. I was oblivious to grace or have totally being, total deceiver the whole while. It's one of the two. When you read, do you understand, that we looked in this book and cannot find the word grace, except in the middle of Faith in your Salvation, quotes the verse, For by grace are you saved and that makes it worse yet and and totally oblivious to it everywhere else......what?

Andrew: and then it's all us got to have got to have faith.

Stewart: Faith has become, so-called faith has become everything. Therefore, it's on me. We'll get into, I could take it, the brothers couldn't I could take it for longer. that's all.

Brother: well I tell ya I seen grace at work in my life and in a lot of us when I rededicated, I knew it was nothing I did and with a lot of brothers who returned I could see it was a big example of God's grace, Him doing that, I think specifically to show His grace that He has on us. I think about that a lot.

Stewart: I have not been acknowledging His grace. Not in my, not in my own life. Not making it known. Still can't believe that I did it. I have to of course. While we're on the subject. When did I ever speak on the subject of my sinfulness?

Brother: I remember you telling us once that if we lived inside your body for a minute we would go crazy.

Stewart: Did I?

Brother: I remember you saying a few times that I was the worst one among you.

Stewart: Yeah, I said it a thousand times. I'm no better. But nobody believed it. Because I have so much faith, because I can take it. heh. uh... I said a thousand times I'm no better. But somehow my spirit is selling that I'm sinless. ... therefore the brothers must be sinless like Stewart and everything will be alright. ... and many such things, many such proofs. I have a boxful now. Along with a last little pack at the end, Maybe it wouldn't have mattered anyway. That is a, a it perverse or is it something else? It's now that it really matters. The older brothers. How much difference would it have made. That's a good question. Try try anyway with your next 18 year old. one would think it doesn't matter what you say. However, be that as it may, it's with the older brothers that uh, it becomes extreme. When did you hear me say much at all on the subject of repentance?

ĒYeah, I said it a thousand times.Ē It was a show, it sounded good to you gullible idiots. But like everything that came out of my mouth, it was a performance meant to deceive.

Brother: It always seemed up to us. We had to do it. Grace wasn't talked about in repentance.

Stewart: I think I've repented more in the last 2 weeks and then 2 months and then a hundred times more than eh than everything else put together until I wondered what has been going on. y'know I, I am given to dramatic exaggerations to make a point. I'm not exaggerating. I am not exaggerating. We as a church to this moment, and that's another one, when, where, and how did we become a church, if we ever did, when where and how does any church become a church if and when it does? And for that matter, Where, when, and how if there is a where, when, and how is someone born again or are they saved? A lot of this is ah...We have to redo everything...from the bottom up. And that is no exaggeration. Grace is much more important than faith. And that was completely turned around. And more than that. We as a church to this moment have no appreciation of grace.

What does it say when a so called leader has to advertise his repentance? Reminds me of the TV preacher broadcasting his crying for all to see. More nonsense and drivel; how and when did we become a church? What came first the chicken or the egg? What is the meaning of life? What came first the cult leader or the liar? He introduces more instability to the already unstable follower by asking questions about how and if we were really born again. Anything and everything to keep the followers dependent on this great teacher, this great man of God. RE-DO everything says Stewart Traill, but keep those cards and letters and especially the checks; your paychecks, don't forget to endorse them first. Keep those coming to the church office. So Mr. Confident Arrogance, are you actually asking a room full of children of God, those for whom Christ died, those who could tell you the year and the month, even the day they received forgiveness and cleansing and the indwelling of the Spirit of God, are you actually asking them......where, when, and how is someone born again? or saved. And you have the gall to add.. we have to RE-DO everything?

PAUL: Ahh I started wondering,...About ten years ago, when I first prayed to Jesus with Brothers and Sisters that day. And I know that inside, I felt a huge change, a big change in my life and ahh did ask God for His Holy Spirit and ah..always thought, I'd been born again from that point and now , I'm like, ya know, there have been a lot of times over those ten years that I have rebelled against Him. and done a lot of wrong things against Him.

Stewart: you , you were not born again. you have deceived yourself. As it is written little children, let no one deceive you. you have deceived yourself or did some character deceive you?

PAUL: that is what I'm trying to do, put my things together.

Stewart: Whatever , Whatever. Understand that you were not born again. If you testify that you sinned, forget it. You are testifying against yourself. By the words and the mind of the the apostles, you were not. We as a church to this moment, and that's another one, when, where, and how did we become a church, if we ever did, when, where, and how does any church become a church if and when it does? And for that matter, Where, when, and how if there is a where, when, and how is someone born again or are they saved? A lot of this is ah...We have to redo everything...from the bottom up. Look at this. I practically said what it was and what you heard the last 2 months and you still didn't go to, grace is the problem. Haven't you looked in these books lately and noticed there's no grace? ... with all the grace talk. What sounded so good? How many did, by the way, and didn't say it? How many of you thought, the problem is grace? There is no grace. y'didn't say it.

Brother: I thought I thought I thought it was, grace was different because there's been more emphasis.

Denny: The way I was looking at it was, I was looking at it, I was looking at more from the place of I thought you were getting more of an appreciation for grace but it never dawned on me that we...

Stewart: more of an appreciation. Listen, Listen, Gayle's only language is a while ago God woke me up. It was that bad. He woke me up. And rescued me. And he has in fact, and uh, that's hope. Grace is the foundation. Jesus Christ himself is the foundation but the next thing on is grace. So he is the foundation on Jesus. Grace is the foundation, building on Jesus, grace immediately. And this teaching is a house built on sand. Not the church, the house, the teaching is built on sand. And the teaching has come to nothing. It is based on error and contains error, contains appalling errors. Flat statements contrary to the gospel, flat contrary. I can be bitter toward all my friends as Job of course. But, having his lesson, I haven't been impatient. You know it's been hard for me to say anything to you people for 10 days, knowing all this, not wanting to start things wrongly. And 2 months previously and longer that God was waking me up. I sat here at the last meeting at the end noticing that I was unable to put together grace, election, sanctification, unable to speak of these things. The great teacher unable.

The great teacher is only a great babbler. This great teacher specializes in producing babble. Again he compares himself to Job, but no, he thinks he is better because he is not bitter like bad Job. Bad Job, bad, bad Job. Job bad, me good!!

Stewart: Very hard for me to to uh believe it. Gayle found this verse in scripture, won't tell you where, look it up later. It's about Apollos, who went around with Paul. Apollos was teaching about Jesus, quite accurately and with a fervent spirit but he was in error. Priscilla , Aquila took him aside and they told him the real story and then those who had received grace heard him gladly. Indicating that, indicating that it may have been the very same thing. Those who had received grace heard him gladly. Now do you remember that verse? Don't bother now, in fact, FORGET YOUR BIBLES, pay attention. I'm the lesson today, not the Bible. I myself am the lesson. So learn a lesson. His fervent spirit, his fervent spirit was and some accuracy yes and he was well versed in the scriptures. I used to be maybe. And he went with his fervent spirit in the synagogue, in the synagogue he went around insisting on Jesus but apparently uh devoid of grace. Apparently oblivious, indicating maybe that was the problem. Certainly oblivious to something. And then those who had received grace afterwards heard him gladly. And later he was as follows...

So Mr. Confident Arrogance has discovered grace and he wants to compare himself to yet another biblical figure. See kids, Iím in the Bible! It has always been all about him. Iím the lesson, look into my eyes you are getting very sleepy. You will be hypnotized by my interpretive skills. I will re-establish myself as the heavy leader by admitting to a misdemeanor and reminding you that you desperately need me to get you through this jungle called Christianity. Give the Bible a break. This is about you needing my harsh leadership in your life and continuing with a new deception. Letís keep those greenbacks rolling in.

Stewart: For 25 years? Was it? By the way. To your shame, well, they didn't really. I walked in here and I actually said..and nobody threw up. I actually said, Can't you rely on your faith? That's worse than saved by faith. Now you're even relying on it, it's everything. You rely on your faith. How many of you said, you didn't , you didn't say it, but you thought that is wrong Let's hear it How many said, that is wrong? Let's hear It up or down What did you say Bob?

Bob: I thought it was wrong cuz we just had a lesson on relying on Jesus.

Stewart: What is, what is the use of all these lessons? These lessons are accomplishing nothing. It's my fervent spirit that's doing everything. You're not listening to the lessons even as far as they do go. You do what I do. I say don't smoke but I smoke so what do you do? It's nothing but God's grace that which I was oblivious which has brought us thus far, nothing but. It's all the more clear. Even with that error of that magnitude, so that the deepest possible error. I can't believe that no other Christians, I can't believe that no other Christians, an error of that magnitude, could not be spotted. I can't believe it.

Believe it because you thought you were better than all other Christians believe it because you shunned everybody else you didn't let anybody else in, and you were too good, too arrogant, too confident.

Stewart: But there it is. Where is grace? Faith in His promise. Where is grace? Yes, the concept is good. And in fact all the better, 12 ways to practice, that's all the better, that word. Because that's what this is practicing. Now the real use of faith..that's something else. That's something else. These are indeed, 12 ways to practice where they, where they properly...speaking of grace and the other matters. But the real use of grace, and the real use of faith rather is in believing and in walking by faith that we are God's chosen and elect and that His grace is given to us. We have to get into this and thereby..grace is first, faith is second. We are saved by grace not by faith. We're saved through faith. Faith is necessary. But faith is the basis. Now of course it's ruined. I wonder. I might as well say it If you took this book to all the, to the uh bible schools, would they say this is good? I'm appalled to say I think they would. I think they would buy it. It is written with a fervent spirit and is saying good and right things. The word subtle ...this is nothing but the work of the devil. Period, nothing but. It is so subtle, so beautiful and perfect. Wish I coulda done that well. Wish I was that good. I'm not. Therefore, who has saved us all these years? And you have this feeling Stewart is saving us. That's what you have, your feeling somehow. One of the last.....I was handing out these comments about the, this meeting, y'know I hand 'em out, one a day. The last one, I didn't hand out was, I wish the the uh Christian movie Hollywood cameras could be here for this meeting. to uh make a movie of this meeting. ya think? The rest of it was, the rest of the saying was I've worked very hard for this meeting and I deserve it and that was going to be the card. Well I have worked very hard. I grew weary with hard doing. Even I grew weary. Sin began showing up in my behavior. Poor Gayle, had to bear the brunt of it. And toward all of you. How was I behaving toward you?

Why is he asking he doesn't really want to know he'll put it back in your face if you answer. It'll be your fault not his and you will like it that way.

Stewart: And toward all of you. How was I behaving toward you?

Brother: A cruel father like...

Stewart: Let's hear it. A year, 6 months, two years? 5 years? Can't figure it out huh? There's a lot of good practical things in here, they helped you a lot if only the basis were there. In fact, If only the false basis weren't there and the right one was. If somebody were trying to avoid grace but still trying to make something look accurate, I wonder how much better they coulda done? Maximum accuracy minus grace. If you're gonna try that, I wonder how you could do much better? If that were the goal, I don't think I could have done that well. There is an amazing space where amazing grace should have been. There really is. And we used to sing that back in 137. I am appalled at the whole thing. ...of this you have heard before and the word of truth, the gospel which has come to you as indeed in the whole world, it is bearing fruit and growing so among yourselves. From the day you heard and understood the grace of God in truth. Understood? I never, I never knew it. Literally. I was totally oblivious. Totally oblivious. I know I did it in ignorance. Can you believe that? ... find hard to believe it is, the amazing thing, God has done amazing things through me for you many many many, every one of them was only His grace It wasn't me at all. In fact, it was in spite of me. Now think of that for... You couldn't do much better on a Grace Hollywood movie. And is there someone more sincere than me? Maybe, maybe not.

Who is more sincere than me. I toot my own horn I am my own witness who else bears witness to me.

Stewart: Now, what in me could ever, Is it something in me, I, I assume. Why did God allow that? Is it dawning on you that I have been oblivious, grace doesn't exist, doesn't exist. You never heard me speak it did you?

Oblivious, I was oblivious I was an ignorant stupid blonde beach blonde, sun bleached blonde doofus female type. Indeed there is no one as ignorant as I, ignorant and rich with your money falling out of my pockets. Truly he is ignorant of how God will deal with him.

Brother: beginning to...

Stewart: what?

Brother: different

Stewart: different heh

Brother: Seems a lot more fair to me that really is Grace is the basis and I haven't been living according to that.

Stewart: Let's hear it ... a week at the most However However, what's needed is starting all over again God has consigned all of us, that he might have mercy on all and error. We're gonna pray together, Lord willing. Now how are we gonna pray together?

Here is a question from the Master Manipulator that gives the illusion that the deceived ones actually have some input into this or any other matter. Mr. Confident Arrogance, you are the control Meister, you will call the shots to your own advantage, you make the rules and everyone must abide. Confidence and arrogance are your names. You call the shots and we play the part of the helpless pawns.

Stewart: You know it's almost against the uh scripture almost, that all that you do, do in thankfulness for the grace that you've received. You realize that? All that you do, do in thankfulness for the grace that you have received. Not hoping to earn something. Are we ready to pray together? Thank you Jesus. So how's your shock value people? ... it's getting less? On the other hand some of you were well on your way, 25 years of no grace. No appreciation of grace. you know it's been 10 days now that I've realized that, 10 days and I am shocked as ever, still total shock. I don't see how I could have done that. I keep saying that, I don't know how I could have done it but I did it. How very very hard to believe, but there you have it.

He says I am shocked, I am appalled, I did it in ignorance. Did he look shocked? How did all this money get in my pockets? I did it in ignorance. How did I control you so well. I kept grace out. Maybe I did it on purpose to control you.

Stewart: Now uh, however why don't we get into instead of uh...What we need to do is redo everything uh..redo our lives as individuals and as a fellowship so that everything is firmly based on grace. Now face it. It hasn't been. That is God's grace has been working for us but eh our lives and and uh fellowship has not been based on grace at all. So, how do we do it, easier said than done. Any suggestions? You know something we gotta start? Bible studies such as we had 20 years ago, now what was it like Gayle?

Softball toss to the Gayle Girl. Gayle tell us about the good ol days. Take a look into that treasure chest of golden oldies from way back when. You remember the good olde days when everything was just peachy keen.

Gayle: Where we would all fellowship together in trying to understand God's will and not be assuming Stewart knows everything and just sitting there waiting for him to show us.

Wow this sounds so neat, cool beans, the good old times, once again except, hold it; it will be even better with that word, that word we left out but now have re-discovered, oh yeah grace. Can we make some hot cocoa and maybe some Smores too? We will be in semantic bliss, vocabularian heaven with this new word injected into our lives by our faithful cult leader. So nostalgic but even better than the good ol days. Here Mr. Confident Arrogance tries to calm the fears of the flock by appealing to your sense of nostalgia and "way back when" feelings.

Stewart: Now how do you like that.. Bob Whipple was there Neil was there.. There was not the assumption that Stewart knows everything.

Bob: right we had We would all get together at 137,and Jesus would show us things and we'd be all get in there, Jesus would be showing brother Stewart things...

Stewart: Harold? Where's Harold? Is he here?

Harold: yeah

Stewart: See Harold was there. We used to have bible studies and that one little house was all we had.

Bob: we were all involved, it wasn't always Brother Stewart we were all given our opinions, what we thought it meant and everything, and y'know Jesus was using all of us together.

So maybe it did start out slightly hopeful with many contributing. But it certainly got controlled by one person and the funnel was set up so that all the money came to him, all the advantages came to him with all the control, the mind games were played by him. We were baptized into him. We became like him. ***WARNING*** Don't reject this out of hand, dear reader. You probably didn't want to be like your parents either but when you spend 20 years in the same house it is inevitable. The sweetest and best amongst us, as well as the self serving jerks have become like Mr. Confident Arrogance because we gave ourselves to him.

Stewart: That is God's grace has been working for us but eh our lives and and uh fellowship has not been based on grace at all. So, how do we do it, easier said than done. Any suggestions?You know something we gotta start? Bible studies such as we had 20 years ago, now what was it like Gayle? I was starting from scratch at that time and that's what I'm doing now. How do you like that? What was I saying just humanly, just humanly alone, try that, and you're 53 and you say well yes, the last 25 years, come to think of it, I was all wrong, okay, I'll start all over again. Just try that. At 53, just in anything human. However that's the state, and it's not human, infinite way eternal and yet that's what's needed. I and everyone must start over and in fact a bunch a backsliders all the more therefore, therefore, and another thing maybe it wouldn't have mattered actually we running out of these books anyway so it's...Everybody asks, How's your relationship with Jesus? You ask that all the time, right, to each other? And you immediately follow it with, Is it based on his grace? Right? Is relationship with God based on His grace? How do you know?..hehehe at this point. well alright by faith...however that's what you gotta ask. And that's what you gotta be looking for, actually more, looking for what it means...How do you see the grace of God? How do you know if someone is based on the grace of God or whatever?

This is all heís got. His robotic, logic first approach to understanding Godís grace, mercy and love for us. This man is empty. He says he has a fervent spirit but we failed to recognize he was fervent to deceive and destroy.

Brother: Because the kindness of your life. How He shows you and gives you things and does things in your life and it's nothing that you do, it's that He does it for you.

Stewart: Okay but eh, our fellowship must be in grace, by the way, uh why not instead of calling these backslider's meetings, why not call them Grace meetings. Do you realize that we're saved by grace and kept by grace. What does it mean, My grace is sufficient for you ? That means you get all you need. He gives more grace to the humble. Remember that, therefore he gives more grace. We are saved and kept. That's going to be very obvious. Yes, you don't want to accept that I too make mistakes and really serious ones because.... if you don't have to face that then you don't have to trust Jesus, because I'm perfect, you just trust me see? Same old thing. You don't want to accept , see what's going on, after that last session? That's part of what's going on. You don't want to accept what?

Bobby: I saw myself in other words when you when you ah you know when you told and said the truth about yourself, I was shocked because uh I was more trusting you and uh trusting all uh but uh rather than relying on Jesus to show me things. more trusting that you would show me things I think that's the reason I acted that way. yíknow shocked shocked y'know.

Mr. Confident Arrogance has evidently had a religious experience. This is BIG; cause now there is hope for this deception to continue. The deception can continue, those who are deceived do not have to get a real life and the money keeps rolling in to the ďchurchĒ office, to be bank rolled used & mis-used by Mr. Confident Arrogance.

Stewart: It started out as Jesus showing you things through me. But then what did it turn into?

Brother: It did start out with Jesus...... through you and um just taking for granted and uh getting into uh just trusting that you'll tell us what to do.

Stewart: So then scriptures aren't the authority, Stewart is. On the other hand, these lessons, all the loose pieces, that's what this is, all the loose pieces floating around with no grace to to uh unify uh if the loose pieces floating around are that good, what would it be with the real basis?. where where uh ya don't have to stop every minute and say well how does this connect to that and how does this connect to that and you gotta hold all these things in your head at once to make any sense out of it? ya'know what I mean? You need grace. Living accordingly ,that's another thing, according to God's grace as our basis. Whole new ball game, what did I say it'd be after this meeting? It started out as Jesus showing you things through me. Now, somebody mentioned back there that grace is a chance to take advantage. Remember earlier? It sounds scary because it's a chance eh certainly is and there's no question about it and that is the danger and wine is treacherous and salvation by works is a drag. Therefore grace, faith and spirit. The problem with grace is take advantage and the classical with grace, the classical with the grace problem is once saved always saved and anything goes. That's the classic case and problem. spirit, well, you name it, wine is treacherous and the spirit is mad and well that could be ahh...there's a lot of wild spirit talk. You know what can happen and with ah faith again... own too much faith.. now the truth is all three are rightly put together by Jesus. All three are there. And there are problems with going overboard on on everyone of them. Now it is true that with grace, the ah, the potential to take advantage is there. That's why earlier, I was saying that if you have to error, better to error the way I did.

If we take advantage of Godís grace then God will be befuddled and unable to cope. But if the cult leader takes advantage of Godís sheep well that is just part of the game, no worries. Mr. Confident Arrogance even makes mistakes the right way. His stuff donít stink even when it does.

Stewart: You don't get it? You don't get it huh? of the three, take advantage, just take advantage of wuh... I just say I'm sorry and move on ah that's our basis, which is uh obviously, that's horrible, and how about wild spirit talk, just whatever. had to even defined chaos total anything. It's been bad enough but now the idea is to make it right in all three. Now the chance the uh, uh grace gives us the chance to take advantage, there's no way around it. and you'll hear, you see a lot about that, hear and see a lot and you realize it already? Grace says our salvation is already finished. We already have it. There's nothing left. There is nothing to work for. He said, It is finished and...that's it, it's all over. The problem is how do you react to it.

This now is the pitiful hopelessness of the average COBU pawn. ďI hope that StewArt will let me know if I am reacting correctly to Godís grace.Ē Is this a problem, or opportunity for further deception? The leader Dude is So very heavy. Mr. Confident Arrogance has identified a problem with Godís grace. Of course we will need a leader like this SNOT faced Bozo, to lead us through the treacherous waters of Godís grace. NOT!!!

Stewart: Now, His chosen, the elect are so thankful that they have this salvation guaranteed, that they react in thankfulness, while the others react, you name it. But the real ones appreciate and wouldn't dream of taking advantage and are so thankful for the easy basis. Thereby prove who we are. Starting to make sense to you. We oughta get into this whole pack here called... the beginning of a right view and balance. I'll just read thru these things, a lot of notes, and we gotta study em..sitting up. On the one hand, once saved always saved. On the other hand, going round and round... Am I going to earn salvation by my faithfulness? Now GodÖ grace is the key to the right approach, the right balance. How do we arrive at the right balance between security in our salvation and our need and responsibility to walk by faith...and led by God's Spirit?

The answer my friend is a blowin in the wiÖÖ. NO, NO, NOÖthe answer is to Get OUT OF DODGE, get out of this nut house of Bible confusion and abuse. We will never learn to listen to the Holy Spirit from this self-serving faker.

Stewart: And it really is God's Spirit, not me having fun. Now, how do we arrive at the right balance. Right in quotation marks, what God calls right. which means security in our salvation, uh need and responsibility to walk by faith, and being led by God's Spirit ...and here's another point that uh may sound strange, another thing will grow upon you. It isn't how faithful you are, it isn't how well you use your faith, that isn't, the most important thing is whether you have faith or not. Everyone, everyone who has faith is justified. Are you aware of that? While we're on the subject, let me tell you another one. However much I have sold this one, now what a shame ..Faith...much did, pathetic. Faith is not a seed. However, much did, did I sell that one. Faith is not a seed. The truth is, the bible says, that we were assigned a measure of faith, each of us, long ago. We were assigned a measure of faith, a certain amount. And, His chosen ones, my sheep hear my voice, they react to His call by faith automatically. We have it, not all men have faith. But...all His chosen do. You have faith and when you hear the gospel, you respond to it by faith thereby beginning to prove who you are. while the others, it did not meet with faith in the hearers and it was of no benefit to them. We're gonna have to get into that. That's one of the bases of telling who you are. Do you have faith? Are you of those who still have faith or have you lost it? Now, you gotta decide. We are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed but have faith, have it. We're justified by believing in Jesus. And we continue to be justified by faith. Now here's uh statement, something like this. By the measure of faith that was assign us long ago we respond to His call to come to Him and receive our measure of grace, perhaps we already received it. So receive grace which is always sufficient for us. Then by our faith we begin to realize that we are His chosen and elect. And this faith leads us to follow Him then. Not to earn salvation but as the normal result of salvation that has already been seen to exist and is further seen through faith. Now something like that. We're gonna find out. I wonder the more evangelical a church is the more imbalance there is. Wonder if that's the rule. The price of fervency and evangelism is error. I wonder if that is eh..that's just one to consider. Free is a grace word, one of the words around grace, free. And being set... free is a grace word being set free by and through grace is one of the fundamentals. We were set free by grace. Does that ring a bell? not really not really okay not really. But these will grow on you. Being set free by and through grace. For freedom Christ has set you free and don't use it to take advantage. Nevertheless he has set us free and it's over and done with. And we will prove who we are, if we value what he's done. The truth is we must be led by His Spirit to walk by faith in His saving grace; that's the sentence putting them together. The truth is we must be led by His Spirit, to walk by faith in His saving grace. Grace is the basis, but faith is how we operate. The gospel is the statement, Romans is the explanation, and the letters are the application. Yeah ya come from grace in interpreting the New Testament, something I never did, try to interpret the New Testament. Now that I mention it, now I'm being double cautious now, but uh, the olive tree has something to do with grace.

"...the olive tree has something to do with graceĒ, Oh wow, he is working his magic with Bible interpretation. This is the great teacherís claim to fame and look, he is at work among us. Just look at him go. He speaks of the olive tree with such elegance!! This is where the great Bible teacher throws out little bits of heavy duty interpretation and we are supposed to sit in slack-jawed amazement at how this mighty man of God slices and dices through the word of God with the greatest of ease. The cherry on top of the whipped cream is that he has just revealed that faith is not an actual seed after all. Who knew that? What would we do without this man leading, guiding and shaping us into the followers that we desperately need to be.

Stewart: Whether it is Jesus...ah...grace working through Jesus, we are the branches, there's some connection in some way. We're gonna have to look for that. All that you do, do out of thankfulness that He has called you, justified you, supplied you with faith, and that you are His chosen, if you see these things are true in you. That is, has He called you? has He justified you and given you faith? That right there is proof that we are the elect then. We have to go into various ones of these and find them all so that we have confidence, real confidence and no false confidence... yeah faith in His promise and it doesn't even mention grace. By grace, His making a way and His decision, those are grace, ahh parts of what grace is. What is grace? That's a hard one. We have some uh..dictionaries here, we could go into. Is it more correct to say relying on God's grace then relying on God? or vice versa? We have to find out. How do you rely on Him except for His gift basis. Now grace something like a gift basis. Some connection, some way. While I'm on it. I still can't believe I walked in here and I actually even spelled it out I actually pushed it and said, Is it wrong to rely on faith. Is it wrong to do it? And you still went for it. Even with the Is it wrong to... right? Think about that? I mean that's a red flag isn't it? ... is it wrong to rely on faith? just think about that. Now uh, the heart of the grace issue is the very fact that it's not by grace we're saved it's through grace. That one word makes a huge difference. We watch for that. You'll never see saved by faith in the Bible. We have them all written out here, all the combinations and words, how many. Saved by faith in bold letters twice. Relying on Jesus means relying on His grace a lot. There is no relying on Jesus without His grace. It isn't really relying on Him. Maybe good intentions and He's merciful. But it's wrong but He supplies more grace. If you were blind you would have no guilt. Well, we've been blind to His grace. That doesn't stop Him from supplying all the more though. So learn a lesson. The order saved by His grace, led by His Spirit, walking by faith. Those are the 3 that are necessary. They have to be rightly related and operating accordingly in our lives and in our church. Certainly among the older ones. Now the younger ones, well...the next lamb that you find...and another thing..this expression leading someone to Jesus is there any validity in that expression? Is that total...uh....we have to consider that. Another thing eh...Gayle has been watching me Last few days uh...speaking to unsaved about God's grace and the reaction, amazing reaction that that causes, it's very good at least uh what, what I have seen that's a slight matter we have to get into. Everyone of these especially to older people. Again, the younger people uh with 18 year olds, what did we used to say? ... doesn't matter. God's grace, witnessing, making Jesus known to older people such as your parents. Now here's a comment, Righteousness comma Justified comma and Faith in the same verse or next to it in every case in Romans. Almost every case in Romans. That pattern, Righteousness, Justification, and Faith. Not surprising but uh we're going to look closely at it. Grace is given to us, in many verses, it's received by us, also in many verses. Faith increases but it's a measure assigned in the first place. That everyone who has faith maybe justified. Remember, everyone who has faith not everyone does. And is it true,ah I think it is true that grace meets with faith only in the elect. Grace meets with faith. That's one of the tests therefore. Is faith at work in your life and is grace at work in your life. We react with thankfulness. That's our response. The Old Testament version is Because you did not serve the Lord with joy and gladness by reason of the abundance of all good things ... it's physical in the Old but spiritual in the new. But we react with thankfulness. Not because he gave us a new...but uh, out of thankfulness that uh we indeed are saved, are His. To him who has will more be given. To him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. The uh other verse, the other thing being to him has election, will more grace be given and to him who has not the election, even what he has will be taken away. Now there's some correspondence there. analogy. God intends to save the elect. He intends to save the elect no matter what. Of those whom thou gavest me not one is lost but the son of perdition. Remember the elect react with thankfulness and the others take advantage. We have to get into that a lot. However much grace the elect's 25 years of not valuing his grace or whatever...Time of grace, time of need, whatever it is He supplies it. My grace is sufficient, is what He said. Now here's another one. Is this actually the the deeper view of salvation or is this the only right one that that we must give the lambs? Or how much of each? That is the unsaved 18 year old. How much grace? gotta consider that. Tell em the truth, of course, tell them the truth. How much of it though? How soon? and uh can only speak one word at a time, present so much at a time. How do know what the balance is there? That's one of the ones we gotta find out. You know uh, you say 137, we used to have bible studies, yeah, for 3 years straight, every night, it was John chapter 3. For three years straight, every night, or was it 5 years straight. At least 3 years straight. Well, that's good and bad.Well, for what it's worth, by faith is 35 times in the Bible, 19 of which are in Hebrews 11. Through faith is 22 times and we have the rest written out here. How about the basis of genuine confidence? Any ideas about it?

Paul: It is finished.

Ē...Whatever it wasÖĒ doesn't really matter cause I got what I wanted. The details like your name and the real nature of Jesus are unimportant.

Stewart: Time of grace, time of need, whatever it is He supplies it. My grace is sufficient, is what He said. Now here's another one. Is this actually the the deeper view of salvation or is this the only right one that that we must give the lambs? Or how much of each? That is the unsaved 18 year old. How much grace? gotta consider that. Tell em the truth, of course, tell them the truth. How much of it though? How soon? and uh can only speak one word at a time, present so much at a time. How do know what the balance is there? That's one of the ones we gotta find out. How bout we know that we are in Christ because we know if we're fully going to Him, all that we are both good and bad, both, as with no kind of holding out, bad attitudes and we know he won't cast us out because that's his promise. therefore that we abide in Him. That's the source of confidence. That's the first source right there. Now, joy that we are the elect, how does that sound?

He's trying really hard to make his bull turds seem like warm, yummy meatloaf. " does that sound?" want more, I've got lots of bull turds, in fact that is all I have ever had; is what he should say.

Stewart: that we are realize we are His chosen, that we have solid reason to say so. That's uh, that's where joy comes from. Now when they went out, He sent them out two by two. And they were out, casting out demons and they came back... Lord, even the demons are subject to us. And Jesus uh as you know, He said uh, Don't rejoice at that but rather that your names are written in the Book of Life. What does that show?

Brother: I think it shows that He doesn't want us just to be thankful and rejoicing for the things He does through us and for us but that He added grace, He has grace toward us, He has , you know, He fills us for having Jesus in us, that's what he really wants us to be thankful for.

Stewart: First there was a hundred at once and now there's one only. What the matter the 99 are ashamed of what they said or what?

Brother: I think that, it's nothing that we do.

Stewart: Why do He say that?

Brother: Because Jesus, because God said, He reached man not man reached to God.

Stewart: Why'd He say that?

Brother: I think it's because it's that they're the elect, not what God has given him but that there the elect, they're going to heaven.

Stewart: Next

Brother: out of motivation, to being thankful

Brother: so we wouldn't be motivated by going out just to see, that they ah have more power than these people, that was the wrong attitude...that they would be that they were glad that they were saved by grace?

Brother: That, don't get into the wine they get right now but get more into the hope of going to be in heaven, get more fully into that.

Brother: That it's by grace that they're names were written in the book of life rather than that they were casting out demons.

Brother: Take, Take encouragement from seeing Jesus do things in our life, but it should just be ah rejoicing that that's a sign we are His elect.

Stewart: Listen, He also said that many will say that' did we not cast out demons' and He will say, 'I never knew you' . What's the point?

Brother: That the basis isn't the amount of work that Jesus was doing through them but that the basis was through grace. The basis is their right relationship with Jesus be of grace and not works.

Brother: well not that they were something of themselves but that He chose them.

Brother: that's right, that He chose, He chose them you know by His grace.

Stewart: But where's the connection?

Brother: I was thinking that they're not saved through their works but they're saved by His grace and that they should be doing from that and that they should take confidence in that they're also saved and that they're with Him and that they don't have to turn.

Brother: you were chosen by God?

Brother: if we're thankful that and rejoicing that Jesus did give us salvation then we'll be motivated from that rather than looking to any works.

Brother: So we hope in Jesus and the resurrection instead of looking to doing it here the piety act.

Stewart: Well, it's really rejoice in the proof of who you are that you are. right? They were rejoicing at the results, right? ...sound familiar? Rather than what it proves about them. And He directed them to what it proves about them. ....what it proves about them. And He directed them to what it proves about them. Told them to rejoice in that. ..... that faith is at work and other things. Our view has to change and fairly dramatically. It's in the view of grace that you'll come to see that everything makes sense. And, a lot of Christian life is wrapped up in in living by faith that in fact God's grace has specifically been extended to me. It's not blind faith either. All works have to be the result of thankfulness for grace not trying to earn something. The result of thankfulness, the desire to please Him and the evidence of His promise at in me. Any questions? Let's hear it. How much of you is spent trying to fig.....the amount of faith that you have, concerned with the amount rather than rejoicing over the fact that you have it and what that proves (a lot) If you have faith in Him that proves that you've been justified by Him. You realize that? However it wouldn't mean anything if you weren't centered in grace. These things would mean nothing. Yes, here's what He was really saying, Don't rejoice that you have faith to cast out demons, rather rejoice because the fact that you have faith which means that your names are written in the book of life. Therefore, don't rejoice if you can do some work by faith and then feel that you're saved because of these works. Rather rejoice that the works complete the faith that justified you in the first place, that proves who you are. It's the fact that we have faith that is the good news because that's the proof that we are His. one of them. And there's no more need to try to convince Jesus to save you. it's the... trying to convince Jesus to save them rather than noticing that that He has saved them. Both in His word and in your life.

Behold the great teacher, as he complicates the simple, curses the simple minded and makes proselytes. When he makes a proselyte, he makes him twice as much a child of hell as himself.

Stewart : Then again, there's the scorecard issue. Now how's the scorecard going? ah 263 by the way, 37 more, thank you Jesus another score card 300 now, gotta open the doors now. Look at this, looks huge in there. Look at that. Thank you Jesus. How's the scorecard going? all right now you score card people, let me ask you this. ah How do you tell the difference, what is your means in your scorecard for telling the difference between a big sin and a little sin? What have you decided, since you've obviously decided something? How do you go about it? hold on, You started it. I mean, You must have some way of doing it, how do you, how do you decide? What is a big sin and what is a little sin? Or uh little sins don't make it on the scorecard is that it?

"That's one of the tests therefore. Is faith at work in your life and is grace at work in your life." This guy is all about testing & scorecards; but God will be the judge of his works. What a great teacher and theologian we have put our trust in. We the stupid children are being quizzed about a score card and little sins. Wake up stupid children or he will continue to minimize his evil mischief. Listen to this long bearded charlatan at your own risk.


At the beginning of this so called Grace Meeting, Stewart T. Trail was compelled for some reason to admit to an "error." His so called "error" was omitting the word or the concept of grace from his teachings for the last 25 years.

He then went on to explain how this was actually a work of God and how his error was the correct way to make a blunder. He "missed grace".

Only one sister dared to point out the obvious inconsistencies in this mock of a confession, but she was quickly put in her place. No one else could be found to challenge this graceless leader.

Interesting denials made by the confident one:

and I'm not a hypocrite I'm not a understand this?

Ya know the whole while, I never tried to take Jesus' no way and would always (be) speaking against it...and yet that's what the devil arranged.

I'm not a fraud. I'm not a phony. I'm not a Jim Jones as they say. I'm not a false teacher. What I am is a poor one.